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clueless

Hello, I am new, with what I have to assume is a very unusual situation. I won the random lottery at work, and had a sub sample, but was not able to get it up to a temp that would register on cup temp strip. The person who took my sample first marked "Yes" for correct temp, then marked "no" and called in the nurse. The person asked the nurse if should I give a new sample, the nurse said no. They noted on the form that it did not register, but I think it was pretty warm to the touch, and that is why the person first marked Yes without actually looking at the strip right away.
I didn't know if this would be an automatic fail or not, so I took a new sub sample with me to work the next day, just in case I was given a retest. I also attempted to dilute my urine with sport drink, and took some rolaids, creatine, etc., in case I was given an observed retest.
In a strange twist of luck, I had an accident that night, and had to take another test. I had no problems with the temp this time around.

Does anyone think because these two tests were so close together, and the temp on the first one was seemingly on the borderline (as evidenced by the person first marking "yes" then "no" after consulting with the nurse), that I will be given the benefit of the doubt, thanks to the second test?

Should I prepare for a possible third test?

Any insight or advice would be appreciated.

 

Sec

Well, the nurse was wrong by not recollecting a second specimen right away. You got very lucky there.

You also got very lucky that you had the unfortunate accident and were re-tested the very next day. The employer probably will take that second, post-accident result instead of re-testing.

The problem is that usually a specimen that doesn't meet requirements (like temperature, color, etc...) is marked as a substituted or adulterated specimen. In other words, a failed drug test.

IF you work for a smaller company, they probably will disregard the first result and chalk it up to the collector making an error. If you work for a large corporation, the test results may not have even gone to the same department. Sometimes post-accident test results go one place, and random test results are forwarded to another.

Either way, you are extremely lucky. Yes, you should be prepared for another test. if it happens you are ready, if it never comes, your lucky streak continues.

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clueless

Thanks. I'm assuming if another test comes, it will be "observed." Right now, I'm trying to rig up something that may work in an observed situation. Am I right in understanding that the "observer" likely won't stare right at my package while I'm giving the sample? If so, I think I may be able to sub still. If not, dilution is my only hope.

Sec

An observer, to be a true observation, must see the urine flow from the body into the collection cup.

A mere monitored test is where someone is just in the same room with you. A Monitored test is used when the water sources cannot be shut off or the tester cannot watch all entrances/exits from the restroom or there is more than one stall in the restroom.

An Observed test is done when someone messes with their specimen, is found positive, adulterated, or substituted (like yours with the no good temp).

FXjohn

where i work they do observed randoms.

 

clueless

Yes, in the case of an observed re-test, I can only hope that the observer merely "monitors." The room doesn't allow room for someone to stand right beside me on either side, only behind. There is a mirror, but I can't remember if it's position gives a person behind me a good view of what I am doing or not.
I was wondering, though: will I get a call from the MRO about the temp. fail of the first test before they inform my employer? Or is that only for real positives? Just wondering if I'll get any kind of "heads up" or not.

Sec

A specimen with an inadequate temperature reading IS a real failure as much as a positive drug test. The MRO SHOULD call you, can't say for sure tho.

clueless

Thanks for all the info. Knowing that I should be contacted first, and that the MROs normally don't work weekends, gives me some hope that I will have at least tomorrow at work still before anything happens.