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Old 05-13-2005, 11:51 PM   #11
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o.o Well... xD That's kind of what I ment. -shrugs-


By the way, if I were to take the stem of my mini bubbler and boil it, the glass woulden't crack or anything, would it? And the smell woulden't reak up the house either, right? xD A minor smell I can deal with with opened windows and insents... But... Yeah. o.o It's not horribly dirty, it's beining to smell pretty strongly though. -nod-

I know I know, I'm suppost to post this somewhere else... But I'm here right now so A quick responce instead of a link would be really nice. -cringes slightly- My computer isn't nice when it comes to opening new windows..
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Old 05-14-2005, 12:17 AM   #12
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Old 05-14-2005, 12:23 AM   #13
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I question that. Most of what I've read says that THC is the most important component for medical purposes. If CBN is so effective, why don't they produce a CBN pill instead of a THC capsule (Marinol)? It wouldn't have the silly side effects and would further the cause of the prohibitionists/big pharm.
Just some speculation, but here goes. In the States, with the little knowledge we have surrounding cannabis with all the myths and gutter science going on, people automatically think of THC and nothing else. They fail to study and utilize the other aspects of the plant. That's why we have Marinol, 100% THC, which does not help patients. I think this was done for a reason. You have medical marijuana groups that say we want medical marijuana, so a group pushes out a 100% THC pill to "please" them, and when it doesn't work like it should (because it's missing the other components) they prove a point.

They should produce a purely CBN pill, and your last sentence answered it all: it wouldn't have the side effects and would work against the cause of prohibitionists and the pharm. industry who claim there are no medicinal values in such a "crude" plant.

And actually, now that I think about it, they DO have a "CBN-like" pill out there. It's Nabilone, a synthetic cannabinoid used to treat nausea and vomiting, multiple sclerosis, anxiety (it's an anxiolytic). Much better than Prozac, Zoloft, etc. Nabilone was developed circa '83 and is only available in the UK. Children also respond VERY well to Nabilone. They did a study in the 80s comparing THC to Nabilone, 100% of the time nabilone worked while THC was only effective about 80-90% of the time.

CBN is also responsible for helping things like constipation, rheumatic pains, childbirth issues, muscle relaxant, insomnia, depression.
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Nabilone (1 mg three times daily) produced "dramatic improvements" on the Hamilton Anxiety Scale in 20 anxious patients in comparison to placebo (P<0.001), which were mirrored by other measures (Fabre & McLendon, 1981). Seven days into the study, nabilone patients' anxiety scores were halved, and this persisted unchanged throughout treatment. Side-effects included dry mouth, dry eyes and drowsiness. The authors concluded that nabilone is a "very effective anxiolytic deserving of further study". In a cross-over comparison of nabilone (1-2.5 mg twice daily) and placebo in 11 anxious patients (Ilaria et al, 1981), significant improvements in anxiety scores (P<0.05) were again noted. The only clinically significant adverse effect was postural hypotension with related dizziness, light-headedness or weakness. This was dose-related, experienced by most patients, and tended to tolerate out over time.
THC is good for GI issues like emesis, IBS, chron's, GERD, paralytic ileus, secretory diarrhoea, gastric ulcers, etc. THC delays the gastric emptying in humans.

CBN is what gives you the munchies, it's why things like schwag and indicas induce the munchies far more than a Sativa, which is mainly THC. It's also why most medicinal strains are 100% or ratioed indicas (80/20, 60/40).

We still have 65 other cannabinoids to study besides THC, and we really only have research on 3 of them (CBN, CBD, THC). That doesn't even include the 480 substances found in cannabis, the mixtures and combinations of them would produce different results. For example: Cannabinol, nabilone, THC, and delta-8-tetrahydro-cannabinol have been found to decrease intraocular pressure (in the eyes), whereas cannabidiol (CBD) had no effect.
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Old 05-14-2005, 12:43 PM   #14
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I have another question for the vape cognoscenti: is there any use for what's left over after you've vaped some weed. It smells good. I wonder if, smoked or eaten, it would have the sedative effects missing from the vape high.
Just drop about a 1/4ths worth of used stuff in the oil/water of a 9x9 batch of pillsbury/betty croaker brownie mix (after finishing grinding it in a coffee grinder) and then bake as the instructions say to do so

eat about 1/4th of the batch and wait an hour and tell me if it had the same effect to you as it does to me...

I'm fairly certain it worked for me.. but I won't go into details on how.. I want to see if it did the same to you.. nothing bad or anything




BTW. the above is how I've always made my herbal brownies and they always worked for me.. just I normally use mids instead of vaped leftovers

Hey Buzzby and Higher Logic I was wondering what yer thoughts were on this post... wasn't sure if you saw it since I double posted or if it got skipped.. lol
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The high of a vaporizer differs due to not burning the leaf. Leaf is like tobacco which is a downer. The more smoke you inhale the more tired of an effect the buzz will be. That is why blunts are so heavy body wise.
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Old 05-18-2005, 01:17 AM   #16
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No, a vaporizer offers a different high because, and I quote myself from a couple posts up:

"CBN is produced from THC via chemical oxidation, and a vaporizer would allow for more oxygen production than a flame would."
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"CBN is produced from THC via chemical oxidation, and a vaporizer would allow for more oxygen production than a flame would."
Then that doesn't make sense for the vaporizer high because vape high feels more clear headed, less disorientated, no burnout or tiredness.

Cannabinol - CBN is not produced by the plant per se. It is the degradation (oxidative) product of THC. Fresh samples of marijuana contain very little CBN but curing, poor storage, or processing such as when making hashish, can cause much of the THC to be oxidized to CBN. Pure forms of CBN have at most 10 percent of the psychoactivity of THC.
Like CBD, it is suspected of potentiating certain aspects of the high, although so far these effects appear to be slight. CBN seems to potentiate THC's disorienting qualities. One may feel more dizzy or drugged or generally messed up but not necessarily higher.
In fact, with a high proportion of CBN, the high may start well but feels as if it never quite reaches its peak, and when coming down one feels tired or sleepy.
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Then that doesn't make sense for the vaporizer high because vape high feels more clear headed, less disorientated, no burnout or tiredness.

Cannabinol - CBN is not produced by the plant per se. It is the degradation (oxidative) product of THC. Fresh samples of marijuana contain very little CBN but curing, poor storage, or processing such as when making hashish, can cause much of the THC to be oxidized to CBN. Pure forms of CBN have at most 10 percent of the psychoactivity of THC.
Like CBD, it is suspected of potentiating certain aspects of the high, although so far these effects appear to be slight. CBN seems to potentiate THC's disorienting qualities. One may feel more dizzy or drugged or generally messed up but not necessarily higher.
In fact, with a high proportion of CBN, the high may start well but feels as if it never quite reaches its peak, and when coming down one feels tired or sleepy.
As much as I'd like to get short with you for bumping a thread that's nearly three and a half years old, this is a very interesting discussion. Wasn't there a PDF floating around somewhere where some group studied the chemicals present in marijuana smoke compared to the vapor from a Volcano, and the different ratios? I know it has made the rounds here more than a few times.

It's also fun to see Buzzby's early vaporizer days. Nowadays it's common knowledge what AVB can do in cooking...
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