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Old 05-25-2006, 04:29 AM   #1
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Default Ghost Hitting Vapo Hits

The visible vapor that comes out of your mouth after a hit from a vaporizer, is that wasted THC? If so, because there is no combustion with vaporization, would it be safe and more effective to zero out, or ghost hit each vapo hit?

What do you guys think?
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Old 05-25-2006, 07:32 AM   #2
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Yes...and no.

It's unhealthy to hold hits in to long. A person doing so will suffer from hypoxia (lack of oxygen to brain) and thusly kill more brain cells.

I take about a half lung-full of vapes (from any vape device) and finish it with fresh oxygen. I hold it in for 10 seconds (I count backwards from 10 to 1) and exhale through my nose. I find that this minimizes any "wasted vapors".

In all reality, vapors can be clear...so smokey or "white" volcano/vapor hits just mean that you have a very, very concentrated hit...(as indicated by nonerator)...

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The THC and other cannabinoids are basically riding on the water vapor; so it is absorbed just as fast by your lungs as THC in smoke I believe. It might even absorb faster because there is less crap getting in the way like tar; I don't know that for sure though.

Your lungs absorb the chemicals very quickly, and it was THC Fiend that said it best hold on let me find the thread to quote him-

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I didn't read the whole thread but I just wanted to jump in on something somebody said. You claimed that there is a possibility that the lungs have a maximum THC absorption. Then when you went to prove it, but the graph and whatnot had to do with TIME as opposed to VOLUME of smoke. From my (limited) understanding of the lungs, I don't think that it would be possible to take enough THC in one hit, that your lungs couldn't absorb it with the same efficiency as a tiny hit. I agree that holding in a hit will not give a maximum benefit because of the THC dissipation, as your charts and links have shown. Again, this is because the THC dissipates, as opposed to the lung's minimal absorption.

So, basically what I'm trying to say is that more smoke in a hit will certainly equate to more THC absorption, however, holding in a hit for a long time will not. Take small hits or big hits, but just exhale after a second or two.

The alveoli in your lungs have such an incredible amount of surface area on which THC can be absorbed, I'm guessing that the maximum absorption value will be equal to the volume of smoke your lung capacity can actually handle.
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Old 06-01-2006, 07:03 PM   #4
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Yes...and no.

It's unhealthy to hold hits in to long. A person doing so will suffer from hypoxia (lack of oxygen to brain) and thusly kill more brain cells.

I take about a half lung-full of vapes (from any vape device) and finish it with fresh oxygen. I hold it in for 10 seconds (I count backwards from 10 to 1) and exhale through my nose. I find that this minimizes any "wasted vapors".
You actually go through all that when toking? I'm not trying to say its impossible but there is no way I could stick to a regimin like that! After smoking enough I'm not even sure I could count back from 5 let alone 10. No but really that sounds like the ultimate THC trap. I'm surprised you blow anything out by the time it gets through your nose.

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Old 06-02-2006, 01:46 PM   #5
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So, the white vapors that come out of my mouth and nose, what are they if not wasted THC?

Should I just turn the heat way down until they are next to invisible?

What do you guys have yours set at? Do you see plumes of vapor coming from your orafices, or is it just a little whispy clearish vapor that comes from your mouth?

I start my VB unit heat controller around "3 oclock" and then after the hits start becoming more and more whispy, I slowly turn it up over the course of a few minutes, all the way to "6/7 oclock"
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Old 06-02-2006, 02:30 PM   #6
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Norerator, you are a smart guy. But you are answering your own question inside your question.


What you are exhaling is vapor. Water vapor. I tried to say that before but I guess I wasn't clear enough.


I even posted what THC Fiend wrote about it- the THC is absorbed extremely fast because of the massive amount of surface area of your aveoli. (sp) -the tiny air sacs in your lungs-

You don't need to hold it in that long, and blowing out vapor is normal.

Smoke and vapor are made up of tiny particles. When you "ghost" a hit you are basically waiting for all of those particles to deposit along the inside of your lungs. With vapor, it's just a bunch of water but I'd imagine that isn't very good for your breathing.

You are not wasting anything by blowing out smoke or vapor, the THC rides on it and is absorbed extemely fast; within a few seconds it is worthless to hold it in any longer.
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Old 06-02-2006, 03:08 PM   #7
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Norerator, you are a smart guy. But you are answering your own question inside your question.


What you are exhaling is vapor. Water vapor. I tried to say that before but I guess I wasn't clear enough.


I even posted what THC Fiend wrote about it- the THC is absorbed extremely fast because of the massive amount of surface area of your aveoli. (sp) -the tiny air sacs in your lungs-

You don't need to hold it in that long, and blowing out vapor is normal.

Smoke and vapor are made up of tiny particles. When you "ghost" a hit you are basically waiting for all of those particles to deposit along the inside of your lungs. With vapor, it's just a bunch of water but I'd imagine that isn't very good for your breathing.

You are not wasting anything by blowing out smoke or vapor, the THC rides on it and is absorbed extemely fast; within a few seconds it is worthless to hold it in any longer.
I thought thats what you were saying, but I wasn't sure, thanks for clearing it up!
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Seems like at a temp as high as you have yours it would burn it norn...

I keep mine set between 10 and 11 o-clock. We turn it up to 3 only when heating up the element, and then we turn it back down.

Of course, I am not an expert on vapes, as my vaporbrothers is my first one. But with it being that hot, are you blowing out smoking instead of vapor? B/c even when I or hubby take a huge pull off the whip, we blow out only a bit of vapor. I don't know. And when we do blow out the vapor, it dissipates almost immediately and has almost no odor
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Seems like at a temp as high as you have yours it would burn it norn...

I keep mine set between 10 and 11 o-clock. We turn it up to 3 only when heating up the element, and then we turn it back down.

Of course, I am not an expert on vapes, as my vaporbrothers is my first one. But with it being that hot, are you blowing out smoking instead of vapor? B/c even when I or hubby take a huge pull off the whip, we blow out only a bit of vapor. I don't know. And when we do blow out the vapor, it dissipates almost immediately and has almost no odor
Oh trust me, I am positive it is vapor and not smoke.
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You actually go through all that when toking? I'm not trying to say its impossible but there is no way I could stick to a regimin like that! After smoking enough I'm not even sure I could count back from 5 let alone 10. No but really that sounds like the ultimate THC trap. I'm surprised you blow anything out by the time it gets through your nose.

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I guess I have myself "trained" due to my other adventures in "off-topic-psychedelic-world" to be able to keep my wits about me even if i'm seeing crap and not sure if it's night/day or what...(and yes, i do get that high still after years!)

I guess it's sort of like how a Zen monk trains themselves to voyage deeper and deeper into states of meditation.

It really isnt hard...

Take half a lung-load of vape...suck up as much air as you can...backwards count down from 10 to 1...blow out through nose. *shrug* I try and make each hit count...im not a rich man and weed is always rationed to a gram/day.
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