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motoxchamp · 09-26-2007, 02:12 AM

Is there a best vaporizer? I was looking at the volcano or volcano digital but a $350-$550 (ebay) is a big commitment. Does the volcano help enhance the taste, produce less toxins, or get you a better high versus other high end vaporizers? Is the digital vaporizer worth the extra $150.

Buzzby · 09-26-2007, 02:40 AM

Whip vaporizers taste better than bag vapes, IMHO. Bag vapor is thin. Whip vapor is more like smoking. Unless you set the temp way too high, vaporizers don't produce any toxins. Bag vapes have no learning curve, but unless you are totally inept, whip vapes can be completely figured out in a couple of hours.

I'm a very utilitarian person. I don't care about having the most expensive version of a tool, or the one with the most bells and whistles. I want one that does the job well, is reliable, is durable, and provides the best return on investment.

DaDornta · 09-26-2007, 05:02 AM

I can get my volcano bags as thick as smoke with that sweet vapor--without turning the knob past 5.5...you just have to know the right techniques... :P

Turning the chamber/bag while it fills helps (so that it equally is exposed to the air)...also if you hover the filling chamber/bag about 1mm instead of setting it down like normal, you slow the speed at which the bag fills. Hence, more/thicker vapor!

**SpiralArchitect** · 09-26-2007, 07:14 AM

I am about to purchase a vaporizer of my own. I too thought Volcanos were the kingpins, but I have heard otherwise. From what I can tell it is overpriced and other vaporizers are just as efficient, cheaper, and easier to use.

I think I have my mind set on getting a Black w/lime green Silver Surfer vape. I am also thinking about asking for a custom made knob as well as a glass lime green tree frog made for the top. Check them out, I think you will be very pleased.

tokinGLX · 09-26-2007, 11:31 AM

as a silver surfer owner who has owned a few vapes in the past, and has tried most on todays market(still havent found anybody that has a herbal air...), i can say that the ssv really is the best. as buzz said, there is a learning curve with the whip vapes, but you get over that quite quickly.

Glass Aficionado · 09-26-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzby

Whip vaporizers taste better than bag vapes, IMHO. Bag vapor is thin. Whip vapor is more like smoking. Unless you set the temp way too high, vaporizers don't produce any toxins. Bag vapes have no learning curve, but unless you are totally inept, whip vapes can be completely figured out in a couple of hours.

I'm a very utilitarian person. I don't care about having the most expensive version of a tool, or the one with the most bells and whistles. I want one that does the job well, is reliable, is durable, and provides the best return on investment.

Hey guys I have 5 vaporisers in my collection, and I have done reviews for glass aficionado magazine on almost every model on the market

Forr ease of use and the best overall unit.. I pick the volcano.
solid as a tank with a REAL 5 year warranty.
by using it properly, you can regulate the thickness of the vapor.
it really is top of the food chain.. dont let anyone tell you otherwise.

next up is the whip style vape, popularized by Vapor brothers/vaporwarz.
these can be purchased with ceramic elements, for under $150
at that price it's a superb deal... but fact is.. it's no volcano

the third would be the heatgun setup sold by companies like GotVape?

The GotVape? unit is a wagner digital heatgun and a compatible bowl/slide that attaches to your tube/bong.
These give the THICKEST vapor rips, and can choke a horse if you dont use it properly.
These are VERY cool, dont cost alost and allow you to use ice and water filtration to moisten the dry vapor hit.
just my 2 cents...Hope this helps

5drive · 09-26-2007, 03:33 PM

IMO, there is no 'best vaporizer'. I wish people would quit comparing bag delivery to whip as far as one being better than the other. I've heard from people that own both the Volcano and top of the line digital whip vapes (Super Vapezilla, Vaporfection), and some prefer the 'cano, others the whip.

I've been using both bag and whip delivery for well over a year. Although my wife likes the ease of use of a bag, I'm a fan of both. There's pluses and minuses to both systems and now that I'm spoiled I would hate to be restricted to using just one method. I've used both Volcano (though don't own one) and herbalAire (do own one) for bag delivery, and various whip vapes. I've been known to buy a vape just to try out a slightly different design. Of my half a dozen current vapes, I'm using 3-4 on a regular basis, depending on my mood and situation.

I don't care how much vapor you cram into a bag, a good whip vape will win the taste contest every time. And there can be a good deal of pleasure (satisfaction wise) in getting a big, smooth vapor hit and exhaling a nice thick stream of vapor. As has been said before, there's a learning curve with a whip (hey, that's part of the satisfaction), and all your hits won't be the same. If ease of use and consistent hits are your priority, go with bag delivery. It also lets you take your vapor with you to the kitchen, bathroom, back yard, etc. But if those advantages aren't that important to you, and/or your budget is limited, you can get solid performance from a $120 Vaporwarez Vaporcannon. Although the herbalAire (which I think is the best bargain for bag delivery) does direct draw also, it doesn't provide as tasty a hit as other good whip vapes (I use it with direct draw for a really speedy vapor dose, since it has a fast heat up time).

Good bag vapes like the herbalAire and Volcano are more efficient than whips because your air flow is provided by a pump or fan rather than your lungs, and the temp stays very steady throughout the vaping process. You'll never overcook your weed unless your temp is set too high. With practice, though, you can get very good efficiency from a whip vape.It just takes a little more work. And with a quality vape, toxins are much more a result of vaping temp than vape design.

As for new vs. old Volcano, the new Digit is a few degrees more accurate in temp (as if plus or minus 5C on the Classic isn't accurate enough), has digital display, and auto shut off. On the downside, you get a two year warranty on the Digit, vs. three on the Classic. The five year warranty was a temporary deal that I think ended in '06 (anniversary promotion or something). And more electronics in the Digit means there's potentially more to go wrong. The lesser warranty says to me that Storz and Bickel is a little more worried about Digit reliabiltiy. Time will tell on that. The Classic, as far as I know, has been extremely trouble free. That's about the difference between the two. The new Easy Valve will work on either model.

So motoxchamp, my answer/opinion/2 cts. worth on all your questions is no. If a Volcano is what you want, I'd get the best price on ebay I could find on a Classic, even if it's used. If buying new is important to you, I'd still buy on ebay. Just make sure the seller has lots of positive feedback. Stay away from potential 'hit and run' sellers. As long as you have a receipt, Storz and Bickel will honor the warranty, although I doubt you'd need it with the Classic. If the Digit's features are worth it to you, and you're willing to risk it on potential problems, go for it. $610 is the cheapest I've seen one go for on ebay though, vs. around $300 for the Classic. And if you're not set on a Volcano, you can get two vapes and have both delivery methods for about $350.

Glass Aficionado · 09-26-2007, 06:47 PM

Check out vapedaddy.com.. they sell volcanos cheaper than anyone on the net and are 100% legit.

I own every type of decent vape on the market today... fit and finish and overall connsistency of flavor is unmatched by a volcano.
with a whip vape.. every hit can taste different, becaue the rate of airflow is manually controlled by your lungs.

with a "cano.. it's exactly where it needs to be every single time.

dont get it wrong.. I love a whip style vape.

I have a digital glass on glass whip vape that sits on my nightstand and gets used every day.

but the volcano is the better product.
it isnt just an opinion.. it's a technical fact.

now if you add the Vapordome to the volcano.. you utilize everything positive about a whip style vape, but with volcano quality and heady glass style

worked mouthpiece and whipset by " Cowboy"
drive it like you stole it!!

[mod note- no commerical links please.]

**Sofa King** · 09-26-2007, 09:18 PM

I've only tried the SSV so I have no idea how it compares to others, but I have no compliants so far. Great taste, easy hits, easy to use.

**SpiralArchitect** · 09-26-2007, 10:35 PM

Did you buy one yourself Sofa King? I am considering getting one myself but am on the edge really. I love the design, the color options ( I was gonna go black unit, lime green base), and the custom options I can get. I was debating on if I should go all out and get a custom bowl lime green tree frog to go on the top element. They have them on the site, pretty slick and I love frogs.

What colors did you get?

09-26-2007, 02:12 AM	#1
motoxchamp New Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 33 Grams: 1,756.70 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Best Vaporizer? Is there a best vaporizer? I was looking at the volcano or volcano digital but a $350-$550 (ebay) is a big commitment. Does the volcano help enhance the taste, produce less toxins, or get you a better high versus other high end vaporizers? Is the digital vaporizer worth the extra $150.

09-26-2007, 02:40 AM	#2
Buzzby Buddhist Curmudgeon Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 14,470 Grams: 48,157.43 Groans: 37 Groaned at 49 Times in 41 Posts Thanks: 530 Thanked 3,921 Times in 1,945 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Whip vaporizers taste better than bag vapes, IMHO. Bag vapor is thin. Whip vapor is more like smoking. Unless you set the temp way too high, vaporizers don't produce any toxins. Bag vapes have no learning curve, but unless you are totally inept, whip vapes can be completely figured out in a couple of hours. I'm a very utilitarian person. I don't care about having the most expensive version of a tool, or the one with the most bells and whistles. I want one that does the job well, is reliable, is durable, and provides the best return on investment. __________________ 60% of the people of America now say we are heading toward a depression. Not a recession, a depression. We are in desperate need of profitable industries that we can tax. Um... Now can we legalize pot? ~ Bill Maher Theocracy Watch

09-26-2007, 05:02 AM	#3
DaDornta Techno-Neo-Shaman Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,642 Grams: 8,993.78 Groans: 6 Groaned at 29 Times in 9 Posts Thanks: 204 Thanked 222 Times in 115 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I can get my volcano bags as thick as smoke with that sweet vapor--without turning the knob past 5.5...you just have to know the right techniques... :P Turning the chamber/bag while it fills helps (so that it equally is exposed to the air)...also if you hover the filling chamber/bag about 1mm instead of setting it down like normal, you slow the speed at which the bag fills. Hence, more/thicker vapor! __________________ Being Broke: My Anti-Drug DaDornta Dot Net Join Date: Sep 2003 Never been a Moderator...never want to be.. Rick let's me stay at his leisure.

09-26-2007, 07:14 AM	#4
SpiralArchitect The Cosmic Chronic Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 6,329 Grams: 45,752.27 Groans: 94 Groaned at 25 Times in 22 Posts Thanks: 4,454 Thanked 3,189 Times in 1,759 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: -1.000%	I am about to purchase a vaporizer of my own. I too thought Volcanos were the kingpins, but I have heard otherwise. From what I can tell it is overpriced and other vaporizers are just as efficient, cheaper, and easier to use. I think I have my mind set on getting a Black w/lime green Silver Surfer vape. I am also thinking about asking for a custom made knob as well as a glass lime green tree frog made for the top. Check them out, I think you will be very pleased. __________________ We exist in what we create.... . Posting Guidelines ~ The Art of Searching ~ Drug Testing ~ Drug War Headlines ~ The Garden's Cure ~ Marijuana Chat

09-26-2007, 11:31 AM	#5
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09-26-2007, 03:33 PM	#7
5drive Slacker Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,451 Grams: 7,673.47 Groans: 6 Groaned at 5 Times in 5 Posts Thanks: 297 Thanked 755 Times in 498 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	IMO, there is no 'best vaporizer'. I wish people would quit comparing bag delivery to whip as far as one being better than the other. I've heard from people that own both the Volcano and top of the line digital whip vapes (Super Vapezilla, Vaporfection), and some prefer the 'cano, others the whip. I've been using both bag and whip delivery for well over a year. Although my wife likes the ease of use of a bag, I'm a fan of both. There's pluses and minuses to both systems and now that I'm spoiled I would hate to be restricted to using just one method. I've used both Volcano (though don't own one) and herbalAire (do own one) for bag delivery, and various whip vapes. I've been known to buy a vape just to try out a slightly different design. Of my half a dozen current vapes, I'm using 3-4 on a regular basis, depending on my mood and situation. I don't care how much vapor you cram into a bag, a good whip vape will win the taste contest every time. And there can be a good deal of pleasure (satisfaction wise) in getting a big, smooth vapor hit and exhaling a nice thick stream of vapor. As has been said before, there's a learning curve with a whip (hey, that's part of the satisfaction), and all your hits won't be the same. If ease of use and consistent hits are your priority, go with bag delivery. It also lets you take your vapor with you to the kitchen, bathroom, back yard, etc. But if those advantages aren't that important to you, and/or your budget is limited, you can get solid performance from a $120 Vaporwarez Vaporcannon. Although the herbalAire (which I think is the best bargain for bag delivery) does direct draw also, it doesn't provide as tasty a hit as other good whip vapes (I use it with direct draw for a really speedy vapor dose, since it has a fast heat up time). Good bag vapes like the herbalAire and Volcano are more efficient than whips because your air flow is provided by a pump or fan rather than your lungs, and the temp stays very steady throughout the vaping process. You'll never overcook your weed unless your temp is set too high. With practice, though, you can get very good efficiency from a whip vape.It just takes a little more work. And with a quality vape, toxins are much more a result of vaping temp than vape design. As for new vs. old Volcano, the new Digit is a few degrees more accurate in temp (as if plus or minus 5C on the Classic isn't accurate enough), has digital display, and auto shut off. On the downside, you get a two year warranty on the Digit, vs. three on the Classic. The five year warranty was a temporary deal that I think ended in '06 (anniversary promotion or something). And more electronics in the Digit means there's potentially more to go wrong. The lesser warranty says to me that Storz and Bickel is a little more worried about Digit reliabiltiy. Time will tell on that. The Classic, as far as I know, has been extremely trouble free. That's about the difference between the two. The new Easy Valve will work on either model. So motoxchamp, my answer/opinion/2 cts. worth on all your questions is no. If a Volcano is what you want, I'd get the best price on ebay I could find on a Classic, even if it's used. If buying new is important to you, I'd still buy on ebay. Just make sure the seller has lots of positive feedback. Stay away from potential 'hit and run' sellers. As long as you have a receipt, Storz and Bickel will honor the warranty, although I doubt you'd need it with the Classic. If the Digit's features are worth it to you, and you're willing to risk it on potential problems, go for it. $610 is the cheapest I've seen one go for on ebay though, vs. around $300 for the Classic. And if you're not set on a Volcano, you can get two vapes and have both delivery methods for about $350. __________________ "Make the most of the Indian Hemp Seed and sow it everywhere." George Washington "The drug is really quite a remarkably safe one for humans, although it is really quite a dangerous one for mice and they should not use it." J.W.D Henderson Director of the Bureau of Human Drugs, Health and Welfare, Canada

09-26-2007, 06:47 PM	#8
Glass Aficionado New Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 9 Grams: 1,215.25 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Check out vapedaddy.com.. they sell volcanos cheaper than anyone on the net and are 100% legit. I own every type of decent vape on the market today... fit and finish and overall connsistency of flavor is unmatched by a volcano. with a whip vape.. every hit can taste different, becaue the rate of airflow is manually controlled by your lungs. with a "cano.. it's exactly where it needs to be every single time. dont get it wrong.. I love a whip style vape. I have a digital glass on glass whip vape that sits on my nightstand and gets used every day. but the volcano is the better product. it isnt just an opinion.. it's a technical fact. now if you add the Vapordome to the volcano.. you utilize everything positive about a whip style vape, but with volcano quality and heady glass style worked mouthpiece and whipset by " Cowboy" drive it like you stole it!! [mod note- no commerical links please.] Last edited by vern : 09-26-2007 at 06:56 PM.

09-26-2007, 09:18 PM	#9
Sofa King AKA: SmokeTwoJoints Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,607 Grams: 7,619.18 Groans: 2 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post Thanks: 310 Thanked 268 Times in 175 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I've only tried the SSV so I have no idea how it compares to others, but I have no compliants so far. Great taste, easy hits, easy to use. __________________ Posting Guidelines ** ** CDXX ** Because every Doobie needs a Brother "If you french fry when your supposed to pizza, your gonna have a bad time." "If you truly feel the need to medicate yourself, please put down the chemicals & stick to the herb." Mawg, The Toyes "Maybe I'll just get a litte bit high." Towelie LAKERS * STEELERS * ANGELS * DUCKS

09-26-2007, 10:35 PM	#10
SpiralArchitect The Cosmic Chronic Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 6,329 Grams: 45,752.27 Groans: 94 Groaned at 25 Times in 22 Posts Thanks: 4,454 Thanked 3,189 Times in 1,759 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: -1.000%	Did you buy one yourself Sofa King? I am considering getting one myself but am on the edge really. I love the design, the color options ( I was gonna go black unit, lime green base), and the custom options I can get. I was debating on if I should go all out and get a custom bowl lime green tree frog to go on the top element. They have them on the site, pretty slick and I love frogs. What colors did you get?

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