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SuperTorch

One possible negative to vaporizing is the fact that I think all other methods, Smoking and Water Pipe hits are more particle filtered. A cigarette has a filter so only smoke passes through and a rolled herb cigarette does the same, so does a water pipe. Vaporizer on the other hand allow very small herb particles to pass into the lungs. Cannabis is a very very tough plant as unique as cotton and maybe more so. In fact I'd go as far as to say no one in the cotton harvesting business wants cannabis legal, but that another issue. I'm positive that on almost every vaporizer thats whip based and really just any vaporizers period there are particles getting through to the lung linings that you never see with smoking. Some vaporizers more so some less(volcano).

Not that this is even a problem but I just wanted to throw it out there since it's not talked about, but is fact that with ground herb and stirring there are very small particles that fly through the screen and the entire air path into the lungs. Most small particles get caught in the vapor film along the way but some really fine particles do make it to the lungs. What do you think not an issue or small issue or what?

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tokinGLX

if you place your tongue directly in front of the incomming stream of vapor/air, most all of any particles that make it through will be stopped there.

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SuperTorch

yea the mouth is the final wet trap before anymore passes on and does catch most all of the last particles. I wasjJust wondering what others thought may be the effect of a small particle that does make it inside the lungs. You breath in more on a dusty day so it's not that big a deal but I guess it could add up over time.

5drive

I wouldn't be as concerned about nature's particulates from a dusty day as I would about the man made particulates most of us are exposed to on a daily basis. As for small particles of weed, they can be filtered/screened even after grinding. Those fine particles can be smoked or cooked if you're serious about avoiding them in a vaporizer. Double or even triple screens can also be used in a vape without any significant loss of vapor.

Auralis

I don't think this is an issue at all. The same thing would happen with any pipe not filtered with water, except those particles would be ash.

I have no doubt that my body can digest tiny particulates of plant material if it has to. On top of that, all vaporizers worth the cash it takes to buy them have a screen that prevents the larger particles from getting through, but even if they did, who cares? Ever had cannabutter? People eat weed all the time, so what's it matter if you eat a tiny tiny amount.

Now, if there were man-made particles coming through - ceramic or metal slivers and particles from a badly made pipe or vaporizer or whatever, that'd be something to worry about. I just don't think tiny bits of plant material are going to hurt me though.

Final reason I think this discussion is BS is because you CAN filter vapor through water - the Aromed does it - and a LOT of people use straight-through pipes or even grav bongs that don't filter the smoke through water, so if this was happening while vaping I think it'd happen while smoking too. Well, that, and the tiny bits of plant material would be HOT! Hotter than they would while vaping for sure.

 

t-1000

im not exactly sure how, but it is my understanding that small particles will not have an effect. If there is too much, you cough. The problem is when you inhale tars and carcinogens... from smoke

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resination

Yeah, vaporizers produce lots small particles. In terms of risk, at minimum they are a small airway irritant. To me particles in the vapor are a turn off. Fortunately, as mentioned above, a water pipe works great to filter them out.

troublemaker_42

I find far fewer particles making it to my mouth when using a vapee than with any other method. I've never gotten a mouthful of partially burned weed and ash like I have with pipes before, and the ends of joints often leave bits in your mouth. I might pull a few tiny particles through my vape from time to time, but certainly nothing worth being concerned about. No matter how you look at it, its a safer method than inhaling any kind of smoke

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tokinGLX

it can become an issue when using a screen that you have taken out and cleaned a couple few times. where a brand new screen is tough, the used ones become flexible. when digging them out of the wand, you may press too hard and there might be a hole or dip in the screen that youll never get out.

anyways, what i was getting at is that an older screen may be more partial to letting the finer bits of herb through. it also makes a big difference person to person in how finely they pulverize the weed when in the bowl. the finer the herb, the more hits you will stretch the bowl, but you have to be much more careful with those final pulls, so as not to suck the plant material through the screen(or at least into your mouth).

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SuperTorch

It's a good point. Because of the VaporStar instructions to as a final step put the herb in your hand and grind it with your fingers then put it back in, the particles become very small like powder but doing this final grind no doubt produced another 2-3 vapors that(sometimes) you don't want to waist. I'm about 50% of the time I do it when I know I don't want another brand new full bowl, but want to extend the current bowl from 9 to 12 hits. I do think we are talking about a very very small amount making it past the mouth and into the lungs. Like pointed out pipe smoking is way worst and you can water pipe a vape hit. I don't really think it's a issue because we do breath in particles all day long from all types of synthetic and other sources. Nose hairs catch all most all of them but some do make it passed especially when breathing in through the mouth. The short of it don't grind to a powder like size unless you don't mind what may be a very few small amounts making it to your mouth. I don't save ABV so sometimes I think "do it now", but it's really a habit I'm going to try and break since I'm getting 9-12 monster hits on a pinky nail size amount of ground herb.