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beezleb878

Will be looking forward to your review and congrats on your selection.

 

Conky

I have an SSV, and after using it my girlfriends sisters boyfriends cousin.......lol I'm telling the truth. Either way he wanted one but didn't want to spend as much as I did on my SSV so I found out about DB and he got it. We used that thing it's exact same effect as the SSV just look different, and half the price.
You will not regret this purchase it will pay for itself very quick.
And 7thfloor is a great company to deal with.
Just take your time learn the temps, and the draw speed, you'll never go back

under the sea

Do you have any suggestions on a temp that works well with it? Also what draw speed works well? I have never vaped so im going into this kind of having no idea what im doing. Also what is the best way to put the buds into it, like how foinly should they be ground up? If any one nows much about these questions lemme no, so i will have an enjoyable first experince when it arrives lol.

5drive

Exact same effect yep, but a $50 VaporGenie or a homemade lightbulb vape, used properly, also gives the "exact same effect". If you mean the DB is exactly the same vape with only different looks, that's not entirely accurate. There are slight differences, which have been discussed previously, the most obvious being hands free for the DB, while that's an option (two different ways) on the SSV. As for the DB being half the price, that's so far from being accurate I can't believe you typed it. Even without the 10% discount that's available on the SSV, the price difference is only $82 with shipping. With the SSV discount, the price difference is $57.

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beezleb878

Actually to make the ssv hands free jumps the price up if I recall correctly but I do not know about two ways to make it hands free. So I disagree with your numbers to make all things equal that can be on the ssv vs db. Remember the DB is not meant to replace the SSV only to be its little brother so to speak.

I suspect and just an opinion of mine:
I do not believe you will find many SSV owners that would want a DB over their SSV but that you will find DB owners who have used an SSV that would not buy an SSV as the difference truly does to appear to be negligible.

For me, my curiosity wants an SSV, at least just to try it but financially I had to go with the DB price range and thankfully the DB was in that range. It has met and/or exceeded every expectation I have had.

I believe that the DB first vape owning population has yet to really comment nor experienced vaping to the extent that SSV owners have. Due to this it is really not fair to speak as if the issue has been settled or determined regarding the whole SSV & DB comparison thing.

This perspective I think will be similar to SSV owners, you like what you know and are most comfortable with. To many they form a type of bond with their vape, bowl, pipe, glass what have you. For DB first vape owners, I see the difference as to small to overcome that concept.

Little of the DB story has yet to be written and known. We have glimpses but it is too early but I suspect that you will see more and more happy DB owners and SSV owners.

The main choice factor I see is in the price, otherwise the SSV would be most peoples selection but once the DB is used and the quality experienced, it is hard to beat and no matter what vaporizer someone would choose if it matches their smoking/vaping style then I believe they will be happy their either model.

 

5drive

Anytime hands free is an option it costs more. I didn't say otherwise. The hands free attachment for the SSV is $14. Ground glass connections are $45 but I'd recommend the attachment since the SSV angle is not GG friendly over the long term. So, since you don't consider the SSV to be the equal of the DB unless it's hands free, the extra $14 makes the price difference about $70 with the SSV discount and the free shipping. Still nowhere near "half the price". And that was my point.

So? I wasn't addressing or expressing any beliefs or opinions. I was just addressing incorrect info. Differences are info as well, and people deserve to decide for themselves whether they're "negligible" or not.

If someone hasn't tried both then any opinion would only be valid for the one vape, right? So "the DB first vape owning population", as you put it, can't have any opinion on vape vs. vape unless both vapes have been tried. And exactly what do you mean by "as if the issue has been settled or determined"? What issue? That's really vague. There are differences. That's a fact. The only poster I know of who has tried both vapes (tokinGLX) has posted his opinion along with pics showing the differences in the heater covers. The DB gives you more air than the surfer, assuming the same draw on the whip. The physical differences and the law of physics can't be denied. He also said the difference in hits is small. But differences, few and small as they are, exist. Doesn't make one better than the other. I don't believe I've ever said the SSV hits better, just richer. Some prefer more air with their hits. The DB setup, with its wider focus of hot air, should also give more consistent hits and require less stirring. Shouldn't that 'plus' for the DB be a part of "the whole SSV & DB comparison thing"?

You certainly have a bond with yours. Unfortunately, it causes you to be way too defensive about it.

If there were no difference in price, why would most people choose the SSV? Your opinion is that there is virtually no difference in use between the two and that hands free is better. So the only reason anyone would have to pay more $ for the SSV would be that it looks different? Are you saying the looks are so much better that it "would be most peoples selection"? And if you're not saying it's looks, then why do you say most people would pick the SSV? I'm having trouble following your logic. Personally, I prefer the looks of the DB. I chose the SSV because I prefer the heater angle and I don't like hands free. The way mine is positioned even the ground glass hands free connection would be harder to deal with - my arm is perfectly comfortable, resting on the chair arm while the wand sits against the heater cover. It just works best for me. So certainly personal preferences come into play when deciding between these two. But let's not pretend that looks, hands free and price are the only factors worth considering. If those factors are the only ones important to you, fine. But others may feel differently.

The differences between these two vapes have now been throughly covered. They're concrete physical differences. It's up to each person to decide which difference(s) matter and how much. I'm tired of discussing this repeatedly, but you seem to feel like I'm saying the SSV is better than the DB, and you get defensive about it. I do not care which of the two anyone buys, but I will respond to incorrect info that's posted or anyone saying that the only differences worth mentioning are hands free and the price.

I have at least one complaint about every vape I've bought or used, and have no problem saying so. I've yet to find the perfect vape for me, and if I found it, I'd also have no problem listing features (or the lack of) that others may not like. If you don't know this about me, maybe you need to take the time to read enough of my posts in this forum to convince yourself. And if you disagree with anything I've said about the differences between these two vapes, please be more specific than just a vague "it is really not fair to speak as if the issue has been settled or determined regarding the whole SSV & DB comparison thing." The differences have indeed been settled IMO. I can't think of any that haven't been mentioned. I'd be glad to list any others that anyone can come up with. And the only thing to be determined is which one to buy. And since both are the same high quality, other than price, choosing is purely a matter of personal preference, based on the differences-with all of them listed if the buyer cares to consider them all.

Conky

Alright sorry for not being exactly accurate with all the numbers, depending on which SSV you get the price can vary alot. I know they are not exactly the same, I have used both, I know the differences, I was trying to keep it short. I was saying you get the same effect, I wasn't comparing it to other vaporizers, or lightbulbs.
Without getting all upset for no reason they are both great vaporizers, they are the only ones I have experienced, but through my research they are two of the better ones on the market.

5drive

The problem is that with all the previous discussion here about these two vapes and whether certain differences between them are 'worth mentioning', when you make the statement- "it's exact same effect as the SSV just look different", most people are going to assume that you're saying you couldn't tell the difference between them if you had your eyes closed (and for some, that'll be true ). Sure they have the same effect. Vapor is vapor. It's just that your "same effect" comment was most likely to be taken the wrong way, and your price statement was just wrong. They do have a couple of custom models that sell for $320, but the vast majority of sales are for the $250 base model and that's what is used for price comparison. Many people read our posts, trying to find good info and make a decision on a vape, including tons of guests who never join. So accurate info from those of us who have used different vapes can be important to others. I finalized the decision on my first good vape from the recommendation of a poster on this same forum.

beezleb878

No, most people will see each review and judge it upon its merits. If a person takes one review and runs with it then they deserve what they get.


I cant believe you said I am defensive on Da Buddha. I could care less what people buy or do as encouraging the idea of vaping is what I am doing. I speak on Da Buddha as it was the choice I made and what I know. I have made no comment regarding yourself and I suggest that you do the same or you risk yourself looking small and argumentative and when and if that happens those who see that will tend to view your opinions differently than you may mean.

I stand by my words regarding the vapes. Many things that you say are phrased in a manner as to elude or indicate other meaning such as when you jumped on the guy about his review. It is his review and for you to try or anyone to try to argue with it is flawed thinking as at worst it can manipulative if meant or not. It is one thing to
bring up points but man do you get technical to point it seems like your taking issue with people. That type of behavior will turn people away. Please think about what you say if you care at all about the community here, it is not always about being perfectly 100 percent correct every issue. Being the only smart one in a room, is simply not that smart.

I am not saying to not speak your mind and say what you got to say but a person who tried both vapes gave an opinion. Have you tried them both? Rarely does someone have the ability to experience all these different types of vapes. To have an idea or concept about another vape is not out of reach of those who have not ever used it. Heck I turn people to other vapes all the time depending on their style. I just explain I have "heard" or "seen" what others have said and comment what that was.

What they do with that information is up to them. I am not buying vapes for people nor am I selling any. I just comment on a vaping and what I know, which is limited but growing in vaping. With that said, I am no kid either.

I stand by my words that I believe the SSV and the DB to be so similar in vapor quality that the difference is negligible with the nudge going to the SSV. I base that statement on the experiences of others who have used both Vapes plus knowing the technical differences such as air and whatnot. I simply do not see where the SSV is so high above and this speaks volumes for 7th floor vaporizer designs.

I have in my prior post explained how I felt the pro DB population would become and the schematics of such. It is relevant as a majority of the reviews are from people who own SSV's and share that type of bond for which I described as a factor. The SSV owning population is naturally going to favor their model in part due to influences as I have previously mentioned such as the bond. The DB vaporizer has not been around long enough to develop a base of support by its users as it is still relatively new. I say that many opinions are disproportionate because they are not wholly unbiased due to this type of bond among other factors and effects.

At the end of the day we are critics and people should view all reviews like that. Not always are the critics correct about what best suites any other one individual. So with that I say their is no winner nor loser in a comparison such as thing.

I do disagree with your price comparison though. Virtually wholly. Since the DB comes standard with hands free and the SSV does not and cost extra to make hands free it should be including and/or stated the extra cost. By not stating the difference it is possibly misleading to readers as they may be under the impression the SSV comes hands free like the DB does. I say this not because what I feel it should be as you incorrectly stated, to make them equal but because 7th floor made the DB hands free standard, they raised the bar so to speak, not me. All I am saying if your gonna call an apple and orange try to make the comparison as equal as possible to avoid potentially misleading pitfalls that may not be intentional.

I always look forward to your input but I wonder if such actions and comments are more harmful rather than helpful regardless if your issue is slightly more accurate.

Respect.

The K Man

I just want my Buddha.