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Vaporizer_Reviews · 05-08-2008, 09:09 AM

I just bought a Super Vapezilla and I couldn’t be more disappointed. Wicked Roots heavily advertised a beautifully over-engineered, multi-holed ceramic heating element with Sapphire Technology that is bigger and longer than a donkeys “you know what”, encapsulated in an enormous, perfectly tapered glass tube, in their most recent brochure and on their website today, which was my only reason for purchasing the Super Vapezilla in the first place.

They sent me a Super Vapezilla with a ceramic heating element that is smaller and shorter than my girlfriends little pinky, with one hole in it. It takes well over 20 minutes to reach 450 degrees in a 65 degree room. They claim that you will get 3 – 5 inhalations of concentrated vapor per load. In reality, if you are using the highest grade organic herb, your inhalation session could last well over 1 hour with stirring, even with the smallest load. That is not a good thing for health, flavor, effect, or if you have a life. The extended inhalations of dry hot air have caused severe discomfort in my neck, throat, and chest even though it has been going through a water bong. I have never even experienced this discomfort in all my years of smoking. I’m using the best herb of my life which tastes like pure lemon when “smoked” through a bong. When vaporized through a friends VripMaster Agent 007, I feel like I just had my septum sanitized with Lemon Pine-Sol. Through the Super Vapezilla, the best I can get is just a decent, bland, classic vapor flavor, nothing special.

The end result effect of the Super Vapezilla is quite strong, I'll give it that. But it is a rise, but not a ride. And before I know it, all I feel is a dementia like experience, but no Zen feeling in my body. The Zen is still in the spent product if I smoke it or vaporize it with a more capable vaporizer, but that would defeat the purpose getting the Super Vapezilla in the first place. I really like to be able to harness that threshold of right before burning, without oxidation, with complete and even heat distribution, in one quick hit, in order to get that perfect bioactive slam that I am looking for. With the Super Vapezilla, the herb is still a tan green after an entire hour of vaporizing the smallest load at the highest temperature, with multiple stirs, since you will continually get a dark bulls eye in the front of the load which requires stirring.

Beware of the good rave reviews of the SuperVapezillas. A lot of them are actually true. Their biggest raves came from high profile people that got the better Super Vapezillas that were first used to “break the ice” in the vaporizer market, and win the “2004 High Times Best Vaporizer” award. Once they got their reputation, they outsourced production to China, but continued to advertise photos of their older superior multi-holed ceramic heating element up until this very day. 4 years of False Advertising. Every other detail in the Wicked Roots enterprise has been updated. Everything except for the photo of the one thing that everything else revolves around, which isn’t even in the units anymore. A lot of the other rave reviews are coming from rookies that are experiencing vapor for the first time. Any vapor will get raves from someone that hasn’t experienced it before, simply because it is new and different than smoke.

Also, be careful of what you read on all forums. I’ve seen Volcano people getting shoed off of Super Vapezilla dominated forums by other Super Vapezilla users, with comments that imply such shoeing. Aren’t forums created for people to communicate with each other to help each other out, kind of like networking? I’ve never tried the Volcano, since I already had a Voodoo bag system before. I don’t know if the Volcano is any good or not. All I know is that I've seen Volcano people getting shoed off of Super Vapezilla dominated forums more than once. Take everything you read with a grain of salt. Sooner or later the truth will surface as to what is really best for you and your needs, hopefully at a lesser expense than what I realized.

I provided my dissatisfying feedback to Wicked Roots (May 2008) immediately after noticing the ceramic heating element switch-a-roo that they pulled on me and they replied:

“The multi-holed ceramic heating element pictured on our website is pre-2005. Since then, we have upgraded to a single-hole, 400W ceramic heating element to allow the Vapezilla (Super and Classic) line of vaporizers to work on a larger variety of herbs, including Salvia Divinorum.”

The vaporization point of Salvia is 500 – 572 degrees Fahrenheit. The Super Vapezilla couldn’t get that hot in an hour if I plugged the hole and fed the intake fan with a blow dryer.

If they were really proud of this “upgrade” to a Peewee heating element, they would have displayed it to consumers 4 years ago.

I tried getting the company to send me a pre-2005 Super Vapezilla by offering to pay them a large premium for one, since I just wanted the best vaporize for myself, and since they have all the parts necessary to repair pre-2005 models.

They replied:

“Unfortunately, we are unable to comply with your request to have the multi-holed heating element installed into your unit. We are not responsible for design changes nor changes made to the models should secondary vendors or manufacturers make changes to the parts they supply to us. All parts are subject to change without notice. FYI, the model that beat the Volcano in the C Cup had the new upgraded heating element, not the multi-holed element.

Per company policy, no refunds of any kind are issued by us. Due to the nature of our products, we have an ALL SALES ARE FINAL policy (each customer is aware of our return policy before completing checkout). For sanitary and hygienic purposes, we do NOT accept any returns of any kind. We make no exceptions to our return policy. There is no free trial period. It is rather unfair for us to accept the return since we cannot resell the unit. We do not sell used or refurbished units so the unit will be worthless to us. We genuinely appreciate your support. However, we cannot accept the return. You can always try to sell the unit on eBay.”

If you are considering purchasing a Vapezilla or Super Vapezilla make sure you thoroughly understand how Wicked Roots handles their business. They are indeed wicked.

I am really am having a hard time understanding how this crap received any awards after 2004.

If you test a Super Vapezilla at a competition, be sure they are displaying the same units that they are selling. Look inside the hole. You will either see a tiny heating element the size of a little girl’s pinky with one hole, or haus multi-holed unit. If you see them trying to pull a fast one with a multi-holed heating element, raise some concerns, because that won’t be the same unit that you take home with you. I haven’t seen Wicked Roots in competition, so I don’t how they handle themselves there. But I just had one of the shadiest experiences of my life, dealing with these crooks online, so I wouldn’t put it past them to try and pull some dirty little tricks at a competition to dazzle voters.

I have no personal interest in any vaporizer company.

Here is my ranking and summary of the highest profile vaporizers:

1st Place - VRIPTECH 007

Pros: The best, most intense, quality vapor hit you will ever have in your life.
One hit, be done, just the way I like.
Nothing will ever come close.
The best instant relief I’ve ever experienced on my lower back and bowel pain, stemming from a severe spinal and back injury that keeps me from taking my shirt off in public.
Optional accessories to make it even better.
Made in the U.S. by true herbal enthusiasts.

Cons: Not very ergonomic.
Lots of breakable items.

Suggestions to Consumer: Get a friend that knows what they are doing to hold the heat gun.

2nd Place - Silver Surfer

Pros: Genius Simplicity.
Almost instantaneous heat up.
Completely silent and so Zen.
No cool down time.
Vapor just as good as a Super Vapezilla.
Good quality vapor for people with MS.
About half the price of the Super Vapezilla.
Made in the U.S. by true herbal enthusiasts.

Cons: Vinyl tubing
Extended inhalation periods
Herb requires much stirring

Suggestions to Consumer: Order silicone medical grade tubing from the Wicked Roots website and just make a quick easy switch to your Silver Surfer. Wicked Roots sells good silicone tubing for $2.75 USD/ft. on their accessories page, which is the company’s only real beef against the Silver Surfer. 4ft is more than enough.

3rd Place – VaporGenie

Pros: It’s portable
It makes vapor on demand

Cons: Probably not your first choice if you’re sitting at home and you have something better to use

Suggestions to Consumer: Use a wooden match after the sulfur burns as opposed to a lighter. I think wood is healthier than butane. Diamond makes a great match, made in U.S., minimal if any smoke. I wouldn’t use Penley, those are made in India and don’t seem as good.

Last Place - Vapezilla / Super Vapezilla

Pros: The best marketing of all the vaporizers.
Looks pretty.
Hands free.
Best option for people with limited use of their extremities.
Good quality vapor for people with MS.

Cons: If you regularly use really good herbs 3 times a day, plan on spending 3 or more hours a day hooked up to a humming machine if you like to at least try and finish the herb at each session.

Right when you think you’re done, nope, the thing has to cool down for 10 minutes, so don’t plan on going anywhere just yet unless you want to wear your fan motors out.

Oh ya, if your whip gets stuck in the glass tube which seems to happen about every 3rd session with me, you have to cool down completely which takes 10 minutes before it will come out with force. Then you have to warm up again for 20 minutes to get going again. The other night, I accidentally stayed up 5 hours past my regular bed time because I completely lost track of how much time I wasted on a machine, like I’m a vegetable.

Extended inhalations of dry hot air create chronic discomfort in the throat, neck, and chest. Also, chronic discomfort in your sinuses if you exhale through your nostrils like the company suggests. Not a healthy alternative to smoking 3 hits a day out of a bong, in my opinion.

Made in China. I should have known. I’m not sure that’s the best place to get medical equipment.

False advertising. They have been displaying photos of the most gorgeous heating element in their advertisements for over 4 years, but refuse to give it to anybody. Instead you get the Peewee heating element with a screen in front of it so it is difficult to notice. They will never reveal the image of the Peewee heating element anywhere until you receive the unit, and at that point, ALL SALES ARE FINAL, which is what I just experienced.

Riding off rave reviews from a different heating element. A lot of those big shots that provided the rave reviews on their website have the superior pre-2005 systems that were first introduced to “break the ice”, so they really are satisfied customers.

They are a corporation, not enthusiasts. They want profits. They cut cost by outsourcing, and then sealed up inferior parts in the same riveted box that if gets opened will void your warranty. And they kept the same exact names on the units to further profit from consumer awareness on historical units.

I hope this information is helpful to anybody in the market for a vaporizer so nobody has to go through what I just went through.

After I unload this piece, I’m getting a VripMaster Agent 007 of my own, which I should have purchased in the first place.

Until then, I smoke with a wooden match, through a bong, after the sulfur has burned, without letting the flame touch the herb, sometimes setting a stainless steel screen over loose packed herb with a gap between which dramatically increases the output for some reason to a thick tasty vapor with just a little smoke.

Anybody want to buy a brand new Super Vapezilla?

Better yet, anybody tired of their VripMaster Agent 007 that’s in like new condition and want to trade for a brand new Super Vapezilla? Seriously. Let me know.

Best Regards,

Mikey Million
MBA / Financial Analyst / OEF War Veteran / Patriot / Herbal Enthusiast

beezleb878 · 05-08-2008, 09:39 AM

Check out Da Buddha and I believe wicked roots is a well known for stating false information but I may be recalling that incorrectly.

Thanks for the review on your vape, sorry you got a crap vape.

5drive · 05-09-2008, 03:35 PM

I don't know anything about the heating element issue on Vapezillas. The fact that they won't guarantee that part or any other, should be enough to show that they're not a good company to buy from.

You seem to think that different vapes deliver varying degrees of 'quality' when it comes to vapor. That's not true. If you're in the proper temp range, only the amount of vapor you get per hit will vary. As far as quality goes, vapor is vapor. The vapor from a lightbulb vape is the same quality as the vapor from Vriptech or any other vape.

I disagree with your opinion that Vriptech and VaporGenie should be on anyone's list of "highest profile vaporizers". Heat guns will continue to be a 'niche' method, and VaporGenie is only high profile in the area of portable butane vapes.

Also disagree with your cons for the Surfer. The tubing is food grade and as good as any you can get from any vape maker. "Extended inhalation periods" and "much stirring" would only be required if a large amount is loaded in the bowl.

Your suggestion to use a match with the Genie is a bad one. You're falling for the butane myth. Once butane is lit, you can't inhale it. It breaks down immediately into hydrogen, which burns first and very fast, and carbon, which is harder to completely burn but does most of the work. A standard lighter does leave some carbon unburned, in the form of soot, but so does a match. A torch lighter provides the best flame for vaping. It leaves no unburned carbon/soot, and provides a steady flame, which you don't get with either a standard butane lighter, or a match.

And your 'pro' comment on the Vapezilla - "Best option for people with limited use of their extremities.", doesn't make any sense to me. Why is it better than any other hands free whip vape in that respect? And it could be argued that a bag vape is even easier to use than any direct draw unit.

Vaporizer_Reviews · 05-09-2008, 10:06 PM

The less amount of hot air that runs across the herb, the more intense it tastes, in whole, due to less oxidation. So with the Vrip, if you do it right, not only will you get more intense flavor all at once, you will also get more flavor in total. To me, the experience is exponentially better than everything else I’ve tried. One hit is the only way to get it perfect (for me). I don’t like stretching things out, taking one lower quality hit after the other until I get fed up, or physically uncomfortable inside from extended inhalations of dry hot air. That was why I was looking forward the quick 3-5 hits of “concentrated vapor” that the Super Vapezilla claims as opposed to drawn out sessions. You can try to shorten the sessions by using just a flake, but that’s not going to help your concentration levels any. Not to mention, the Vrip is able to extract to a greater extent at much greater capacity if you so choose. Some people like the Starbucks Roast. Some people like a medium roast. Some people don’t like big hits and just like a rise. Everybody has their own thing. Me, Iron Lung.

In regards to the instantaneous heat up of the SSV. Of course it’s not ready to go in a split second, but in comparison to the Super Vapezilla, it is faster than instantaneous. Just a perspective thing I guess. And what I meant by no cool down, is that you don’t have baby-sit it once you’re finished, like with the Super Vapezilla. You can just get up and go.

Some of the most useful properties of silicone include:

Thermal stability (constancy of properties over a wide operating range of −100 to 250 °C).
Though not lipophilic, the ability to repel water and form watertight seals.
Excellent resistance to oxygen, ozone and sunlight.
Flexibility.
Good electrical insulation.
Nonstick.
Low chemical reactivity.
Low toxicity.
High gas permeability: at room temperature (25 °C) the permeability of silicone rubber for gases like oxygen is approximately 400 times that of butyl rubber, making silicone useful for medical applications (though precluding it from applications where gas-tight seals are necessary).

Cookware

Silicone is becoming an important product in the cookware industry, particularly bakeware and kitchen utensils. It is also used as an insulator in heat resistant potholders and similar, however it is more conductive of heat than the less dense fiber-based ones. Silicone oven mitts are able to withstand temperatures up to 675°F (357°C)ref., and allow reaching into boiling water.[5]

Yes, the Silver Surfer’s tubing is “food safe” vinyl as stated on their web site. I’ve used “food safe” vinyl tubing in the past, and even 12 foot homemade “food safe” vinyl vapor bags. The areas that get exposed to the most heat will harden and shrink over time, not to mention what residual things are happening that you can’t see or detect with your naked eye. A lot of people complain about vinyl. It’s such a cheap upgrade, I wouldn’t even question it.
Yes, silicone tubing is better suited for higher temperatures. I’ve never seen any adverse reactions to heat. They use it in oven mitts that withstand 675 degrees Farenheit. Yes, it gets dirty easier. But you can clean it, or you can just buy more. It’s cheap.
I’ve never vaped Salvia. But after Wicked Roots told me that that was what the inferior heating element in my Super Vapezilla was intended for, I researched online. I only found a few people that claimed they have vaped Salvia, and it was at extremely high temperatures (500 – 572 degrees Farenheit). The whole point is that the Super Vapezilla is capable of no such thing. I don’t know why they would tell that. Maybe because of the fact that they know a lot of people have never even heard of Salvia nor want to try it. Like, “just make the customers think it’s an upgrade and maybe they’ll stop bugging us.”
I recognized the Vapor Genie because not all of my or most other peoples time is spent at home base. Something has to be recognized for the other times in life. Vapor Genie fits the bill better than anything else I’ve tried for those scenarios.

Vaporizer_Reviews · 05-09-2008, 10:44 PM

Also, if you're curious, take a can of the purest butane you can buy (Colibri), empty it into a clear glass Pyrex (OUT SIDE!!! WITH GOOD VENTILATION!!!). It is a super critical fluid and will boil to evaporation extremely quickly. Look at the residue that is left over after evaporation that you can scrape up with a razor blade. I'm not inhaling that shit. I don't care if people think it burns up and disappears. Industrial grade n-butane will not do this. But you can never get your hands on that. I’m comfortable smoking with a wooden match when I have to.

5drive · 05-10-2008, 04:31 PM

I don't have any problems with your preferences. But I take exception with some of your statements you present as 'fact'. You like the Vriptech. Cool. But saying "The best, most intense, quality vapor hit you will ever have in your life. ... Nothing will ever come close.", is way overboard. That sounds like sales hype I'd expect to see on their website. I don't believe that "best" and "quality" belong in a statement describing vapor from a particular vaporizer. Vaporization is a simple process that just requires the proper temp range. And even if it were true, how can you make absolute statements about the future?

You like silicone tubing. Fine. But why do you think we're dealing with high temps where the vapor stream hits tubing. Have you ever measured the temp six inches above a stove burner set on medium heat? It's about cut in half on mine. Tubing is not subjected to high enough temps with vaping to be an issue.

Quote:

The areas that get exposed to the most heat will harden and shrink over time

How much time would that be? The tubing (non silicone) I've used the most and the longest (about 2 yrs) is no harder at the whip end than it is at the mouthpiece end. And no shrinkage either. And your statement about "residual things are happening that you can’t see or detect with your naked eye" applies to, well, everything in the universe. If you can't back that up with some scientific studies, you shouldn't make the claim. I can't recall seeing any complaints about tubing supplied by a brand name manufacturer, and silicone is an upgrade that I, for one, would question.

As for butane, like I said, a torch is best. It burns 300-600 degrees hotter for a handheld torch and the flame is steady. It leaves no soot. In fact it removes soot deposited by regular lighters, or matches. Comparing evaporation to an oxygen injected flame at a temp of about 2400 degrees doesn't make sense to me. If you want to use a match with a Genie, that's your choice. But it produces soot. A torch doesn't. I don't know why you're concerned about tubing that doesn't actually get hit with high temps but not concerned by the very real production of soot.

05-08-2008, 09:09 AM	#1
Vaporizer_Reviews New Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3 Grams: 239.00 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Super Vapezilla and other Vaporizer Reviews I just bought a Super Vapezilla and I couldn’t be more disappointed. Wicked Roots heavily advertised a beautifully over-engineered, multi-holed ceramic heating element with Sapphire Technology that is bigger and longer than a donkeys “you know what”, encapsulated in an enormous, perfectly tapered glass tube, in their most recent brochure and on their website today, which was my only reason for purchasing the Super Vapezilla in the first place. They sent me a Super Vapezilla with a ceramic heating element that is smaller and shorter than my girlfriends little pinky, with one hole in it. It takes well over 20 minutes to reach 450 degrees in a 65 degree room. They claim that you will get 3 – 5 inhalations of concentrated vapor per load. In reality, if you are using the highest grade organic herb, your inhalation session could last well over 1 hour with stirring, even with the smallest load. That is not a good thing for health, flavor, effect, or if you have a life. The extended inhalations of dry hot air have caused severe discomfort in my neck, throat, and chest even though it has been going through a water bong. I have never even experienced this discomfort in all my years of smoking. I’m using the best herb of my life which tastes like pure lemon when “smoked” through a bong. When vaporized through a friends VripMaster Agent 007, I feel like I just had my septum sanitized with Lemon Pine-Sol. Through the Super Vapezilla, the best I can get is just a decent, bland, classic vapor flavor, nothing special. The end result effect of the Super Vapezilla is quite strong, I'll give it that. But it is a rise, but not a ride. And before I know it, all I feel is a dementia like experience, but no Zen feeling in my body. The Zen is still in the spent product if I smoke it or vaporize it with a more capable vaporizer, but that would defeat the purpose getting the Super Vapezilla in the first place. I really like to be able to harness that threshold of right before burning, without oxidation, with complete and even heat distribution, in one quick hit, in order to get that perfect bioactive slam that I am looking for. With the Super Vapezilla, the herb is still a tan green after an entire hour of vaporizing the smallest load at the highest temperature, with multiple stirs, since you will continually get a dark bulls eye in the front of the load which requires stirring. Beware of the good rave reviews of the SuperVapezillas. A lot of them are actually true. Their biggest raves came from high profile people that got the better Super Vapezillas that were first used to “break the ice” in the vaporizer market, and win the “2004 High Times Best Vaporizer” award. Once they got their reputation, they outsourced production to China, but continued to advertise photos of their older superior multi-holed ceramic heating element up until this very day. 4 years of False Advertising. Every other detail in the Wicked Roots enterprise has been updated. Everything except for the photo of the one thing that everything else revolves around, which isn’t even in the units anymore. A lot of the other rave reviews are coming from rookies that are experiencing vapor for the first time. Any vapor will get raves from someone that hasn’t experienced it before, simply because it is new and different than smoke. Also, be careful of what you read on all forums. I’ve seen Volcano people getting shoed off of Super Vapezilla dominated forums by other Super Vapezilla users, with comments that imply such shoeing. Aren’t forums created for people to communicate with each other to help each other out, kind of like networking? I’ve never tried the Volcano, since I already had a Voodoo bag system before. I don’t know if the Volcano is any good or not. All I know is that I've seen Volcano people getting shoed off of Super Vapezilla dominated forums more than once. Take everything you read with a grain of salt. Sooner or later the truth will surface as to what is really best for you and your needs, hopefully at a lesser expense than what I realized. I provided my dissatisfying feedback to Wicked Roots (May 2008) immediately after noticing the ceramic heating element switch-a-roo that they pulled on me and they replied: “The multi-holed ceramic heating element pictured on our website is pre-2005. Since then, we have upgraded to a single-hole, 400W ceramic heating element to allow the Vapezilla (Super and Classic) line of vaporizers to work on a larger variety of herbs, including Salvia Divinorum.” The vaporization point of Salvia is 500 – 572 degrees Fahrenheit. The Super Vapezilla couldn’t get that hot in an hour if I plugged the hole and fed the intake fan with a blow dryer. If they were really proud of this “upgrade” to a Peewee heating element, they would have displayed it to consumers 4 years ago. I tried getting the company to send me a pre-2005 Super Vapezilla by offering to pay them a large premium for one, since I just wanted the best vaporize for myself, and since they have all the parts necessary to repair pre-2005 models. They replied: “Unfortunately, we are unable to comply with your request to have the multi-holed heating element installed into your unit. We are not responsible for design changes nor changes made to the models should secondary vendors or manufacturers make changes to the parts they supply to us. All parts are subject to change without notice. FYI, the model that beat the Volcano in the C Cup had the new upgraded heating element, not the multi-holed element. Per company policy, no refunds of any kind are issued by us. Due to the nature of our products, we have an ALL SALES ARE FINAL policy (each customer is aware of our return policy before completing checkout). For sanitary and hygienic purposes, we do NOT accept any returns of any kind. We make no exceptions to our return policy. There is no free trial period. It is rather unfair for us to accept the return since we cannot resell the unit. We do not sell used or refurbished units so the unit will be worthless to us. We genuinely appreciate your support. However, we cannot accept the return. You can always try to sell the unit on eBay.” If you are considering purchasing a Vapezilla or Super Vapezilla make sure you thoroughly understand how Wicked Roots handles their business. They are indeed wicked. I am really am having a hard time understanding how this crap received any awards after 2004. If you test a Super Vapezilla at a competition, be sure they are displaying the same units that they are selling. Look inside the hole. You will either see a tiny heating element the size of a little girl’s pinky with one hole, or haus multi-holed unit. If you see them trying to pull a fast one with a multi-holed heating element, raise some concerns, because that won’t be the same unit that you take home with you. I haven’t seen Wicked Roots in competition, so I don’t how they handle themselves there. But I just had one of the shadiest experiences of my life, dealing with these crooks online, so I wouldn’t put it past them to try and pull some dirty little tricks at a competition to dazzle voters. I have no personal interest in any vaporizer company. Here is my ranking and summary of the highest profile vaporizers: 1st Place - VRIPTECH 007 Pros: The best, most intense, quality vapor hit you will ever have in your life. One hit, be done, just the way I like. Nothing will ever come close. The best instant relief I’ve ever experienced on my lower back and bowel pain, stemming from a severe spinal and back injury that keeps me from taking my shirt off in public. Optional accessories to make it even better. Made in the U.S. by true herbal enthusiasts. Cons: Not very ergonomic. Lots of breakable items. Suggestions to Consumer: Get a friend that knows what they are doing to hold the heat gun. 2nd Place - Silver Surfer Pros: Genius Simplicity. Almost instantaneous heat up. Completely silent and so Zen. No cool down time. Vapor just as good as a Super Vapezilla. Good quality vapor for people with MS. About half the price of the Super Vapezilla. Made in the U.S. by true herbal enthusiasts. Cons: Vinyl tubing Extended inhalation periods Herb requires much stirring Suggestions to Consumer: Order silicone medical grade tubing from the Wicked Roots website and just make a quick easy switch to your Silver Surfer. Wicked Roots sells good silicone tubing for $2.75 USD/ft. on their accessories page, which is the company’s only real beef against the Silver Surfer. 4ft is more than enough. 3rd Place – VaporGenie Pros: It’s portable It makes vapor on demand Cons: Probably not your first choice if you’re sitting at home and you have something better to use Suggestions to Consumer: Use a wooden match after the sulfur burns as opposed to a lighter. I think wood is healthier than butane. Diamond makes a great match, made in U.S., minimal if any smoke. I wouldn’t use Penley, those are made in India and don’t seem as good. Last Place - Vapezilla / Super Vapezilla Pros: The best marketing of all the vaporizers. Looks pretty. Hands free. Best option for people with limited use of their extremities. Good quality vapor for people with MS. Cons: If you regularly use really good herbs 3 times a day, plan on spending 3 or more hours a day hooked up to a humming machine if you like to at least try and finish the herb at each session. Right when you think you’re done, nope, the thing has to cool down for 10 minutes, so don’t plan on going anywhere just yet unless you want to wear your fan motors out. Oh ya, if your whip gets stuck in the glass tube which seems to happen about every 3rd session with me, you have to cool down completely which takes 10 minutes before it will come out with force. Then you have to warm up again for 20 minutes to get going again. The other night, I accidentally stayed up 5 hours past my regular bed time because I completely lost track of how much time I wasted on a machine, like I’m a vegetable. Extended inhalations of dry hot air create chronic discomfort in the throat, neck, and chest. Also, chronic discomfort in your sinuses if you exhale through your nostrils like the company suggests. Not a healthy alternative to smoking 3 hits a day out of a bong, in my opinion. Made in China. I should have known. I’m not sure that’s the best place to get medical equipment. False advertising. They have been displaying photos of the most gorgeous heating element in their advertisements for over 4 years, but refuse to give it to anybody. Instead you get the Peewee heating element with a screen in front of it so it is difficult to notice. They will never reveal the image of the Peewee heating element anywhere until you receive the unit, and at that point, ALL SALES ARE FINAL, which is what I just experienced. Riding off rave reviews from a different heating element. A lot of those big shots that provided the rave reviews on their website have the superior pre-2005 systems that were first introduced to “break the ice”, so they really are satisfied customers. They are a corporation, not enthusiasts. They want profits. They cut cost by outsourcing, and then sealed up inferior parts in the same riveted box that if gets opened will void your warranty. And they kept the same exact names on the units to further profit from consumer awareness on historical units. I hope this information is helpful to anybody in the market for a vaporizer so nobody has to go through what I just went through. After I unload this piece, I’m getting a VripMaster Agent 007 of my own, which I should have purchased in the first place. Until then, I smoke with a wooden match, through a bong, after the sulfur has burned, without letting the flame touch the herb, sometimes setting a stainless steel screen over loose packed herb with a gap between which dramatically increases the output for some reason to a thick tasty vapor with just a little smoke. Anybody want to buy a brand new Super Vapezilla? Better yet, anybody tired of their VripMaster Agent 007 that’s in like new condition and want to trade for a brand new Super Vapezilla? Seriously. Let me know. Best Regards, Mikey Million MBA / Financial Analyst / OEF War Veteran / Patriot / Herbal Enthusiast

05-09-2008, 03:35 PM	#3
5drive Slacker Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,035 Grams: 6,265.66 Groans: 4 Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts Thanks: 265 Thanked 541 Times in 374 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I don't know anything about the heating element issue on Vapezillas. The fact that they won't guarantee that part or any other, should be enough to show that they're not a good company to buy from. You seem to think that different vapes deliver varying degrees of 'quality' when it comes to vapor. That's not true. If you're in the proper temp range, only the amount of vapor you get per hit will vary. As far as quality goes, vapor is vapor. The vapor from a lightbulb vape is the same quality as the vapor from Vriptech or any other vape. I disagree with your opinion that Vriptech and VaporGenie should be on anyone's list of "highest profile vaporizers". Heat guns will continue to be a 'niche' method, and VaporGenie is only high profile in the area of portable butane vapes. Also disagree with your cons for the Surfer. The tubing is food grade and as good as any you can get from any vape maker. "Extended inhalation periods" and "much stirring" would only be required if a large amount is loaded in the bowl. Your suggestion to use a match with the Genie is a bad one. You're falling for the butane myth. Once butane is lit, you can't inhale it. It breaks down immediately into hydrogen, which burns first and very fast, and carbon, which is harder to completely burn but does most of the work. A standard lighter does leave some carbon unburned, in the form of soot, but so does a match. A torch lighter provides the best flame for vaping. It leaves no unburned carbon/soot, and provides a steady flame, which you don't get with either a standard butane lighter, or a match. And your 'pro' comment on the Vapezilla - "Best option for people with limited use of their extremities.", doesn't make any sense to me. Why is it better than any other hands free whip vape in that respect? And it could be argued that a bag vape is even easier to use than any direct draw unit. __________________ "Make the most of the Indian Hemp Seed and sow it everywhere." George Washington "The drug is really quite a remarkably safe one for humans, although it is really quite a dangerous one for mice and they should not use it." J.W.D Henderson Director of the Bureau of Human Drugs, Health and Welfare, Canada

05-09-2008, 10:06 PM	#4
Vaporizer_Reviews New Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3 Grams: 239.00 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	The less amount of hot air that runs across the herb, the more intense it tastes, in whole, due to less oxidation. So with the Vrip, if you do it right, not only will you get more intense flavor all at once, you will also get more flavor in total. To me, the experience is exponentially better than everything else I’ve tried. One hit is the only way to get it perfect (for me). I don’t like stretching things out, taking one lower quality hit after the other until I get fed up, or physically uncomfortable inside from extended inhalations of dry hot air. That was why I was looking forward the quick 3-5 hits of “concentrated vapor” that the Super Vapezilla claims as opposed to drawn out sessions. You can try to shorten the sessions by using just a flake, but that’s not going to help your concentration levels any. Not to mention, the Vrip is able to extract to a greater extent at much greater capacity if you so choose. Some people like the Starbucks Roast. Some people like a medium roast. Some people don’t like big hits and just like a rise. Everybody has their own thing. Me, Iron Lung. In regards to the instantaneous heat up of the SSV. Of course it’s not ready to go in a split second, but in comparison to the Super Vapezilla, it is faster than instantaneous. Just a perspective thing I guess. And what I meant by no cool down, is that you don’t have baby-sit it once you’re finished, like with the Super Vapezilla. You can just get up and go. Some of the most useful properties of silicone include: Thermal stability (constancy of properties over a wide operating range of −100 to 250 °C). Though not lipophilic, the ability to repel water and form watertight seals. Excellent resistance to oxygen, ozone and sunlight. Flexibility. Good electrical insulation. Nonstick. Low chemical reactivity. Low toxicity. High gas permeability: at room temperature (25 °C) the permeability of silicone rubber for gases like oxygen is approximately 400 times that of butyl rubber, making silicone useful for medical applications (though precluding it from applications where gas-tight seals are necessary). Cookware Silicone is becoming an important product in the cookware industry, particularly bakeware and kitchen utensils. It is also used as an insulator in heat resistant potholders and similar, however it is more conductive of heat than the less dense fiber-based ones. Silicone oven mitts are able to withstand temperatures up to 675°F (357°C)ref., and allow reaching into boiling water.[5] Yes, the Silver Surfer’s tubing is “food safe” vinyl as stated on their web site. I’ve used “food safe” vinyl tubing in the past, and even 12 foot homemade “food safe” vinyl vapor bags. The areas that get exposed to the most heat will harden and shrink over time, not to mention what residual things are happening that you can’t see or detect with your naked eye. A lot of people complain about vinyl. It’s such a cheap upgrade, I wouldn’t even question it. Yes, silicone tubing is better suited for higher temperatures. I’ve never seen any adverse reactions to heat. They use it in oven mitts that withstand 675 degrees Farenheit. Yes, it gets dirty easier. But you can clean it, or you can just buy more. It’s cheap. I’ve never vaped Salvia. But after Wicked Roots told me that that was what the inferior heating element in my Super Vapezilla was intended for, I researched online. I only found a few people that claimed they have vaped Salvia, and it was at extremely high temperatures (500 – 572 degrees Farenheit). The whole point is that the Super Vapezilla is capable of no such thing. I don’t know why they would tell that. Maybe because of the fact that they know a lot of people have never even heard of Salvia nor want to try it. Like, “just make the customers think it’s an upgrade and maybe they’ll stop bugging us.” I recognized the Vapor Genie because not all of my or most other peoples time is spent at home base. Something has to be recognized for the other times in life. Vapor Genie fits the bill better than anything else I’ve tried for those scenarios.

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05-08-2008, 09:39 AM	#2
beezleb878 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 329 Grams: 2,998.75 Groans: 1 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 33 Thanked 30 Times in 26 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Check out Da Buddha and I believe wicked roots is a well known for stating false information but I may be recalling that incorrectly. Thanks for the review on your vape, sorry you got a crap vape.

05-09-2008, 10:44 PM	#5
Vaporizer_Reviews New Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3 Grams: 239.00 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Also, if you're curious, take a can of the purest butane you can buy (Colibri), empty it into a clear glass Pyrex (OUT SIDE!!! WITH GOOD VENTILATION!!!). It is a super critical fluid and will boil to evaporation extremely quickly. Look at the residue that is left over after evaporation that you can scrape up with a razor blade. I'm not inhaling that shit. I don't care if people think it burns up and disappears. Industrial grade n-butane will not do this. But you can never get your hands on that. I’m comfortable smoking with a wooden match when I have to.

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