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Old 12-09-2006, 03:27 PM   #41
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You could basically sum up my feelings towards weedman like this--He seems to promote the idea that MJ smokers are a bunch of "fuck you, I'll do whatever the hell i want" type people, when, in fact, the majorty of potsmokers are otherwise law-abiding people who don't routinely break any other laws. We ARE the person next door, not some widely outspoken radical who seems to get off on self-promotion and making an ass out of himself. We are doctors, lawyers, teachers, chefs, motel workers, stay at home fathers and mothers, clerks, accountants, mechanics, farmers, travel agents,....we are everyone and we are anyone. Rather than portray us as outcasts and rebels, why not promote the fact that despite out use of cannabis, we blend in with the population at large quite well? The anti-drug zealots would have you believe that everybody who smokes pot is still living in their parent's basement, doing nothing with thie lives. We need to blow that perception out of the water......imagine a day when everyone and anyone who smokes pot decided to stay home from work.....imagine the impact that would have....and the message it could send.

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Old 12-09-2006, 04:40 PM   #42
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You could basically sum up my feelings towards weedman like this--He seems to promote the idea that MJ smokers are a bunch of "fuck you, I'll do whatever the hell i want" type people, when, in fact, the majorty of potsmokers are otherwise law-abiding people who don't routinely break any other laws. We ARE the person next door, not some widely outspoken radical who seems to get off on self-promotion and making an ass out of himself. We are doctors, lawyers, teachers, chefs, motel workers, stay at home fathers and mothers, clerks, accountants, mechanics, farmers, travel agents,....we are everyone and we are anyone. Rather than portray us as outcasts and rebels, why not promote the fact that despite out use of cannabis, we blend in with the population at large quite well? The anti-drug zealots would have you believe that everybody who smokes pot is still living in their parent's basement, doing nothing with thie lives. We need to blow that perception out of the water......imagine a day when everyone and anyone who smokes pot decided to stay home from work.....imagine the impact that would have....and the message it could send.
i dont know what ur on about ,weedman is just another person he doesnt make stoners look bad in anyway shape or form and atleast hes done more for the cannabis community than u ever will .I think what hes doing is absolutely great ,acts like the liberty bell stunt are good in showing the world hey its just cannabis yeah he was smoking a joint in a public place but if it wasnt illegal would it be any different from smoking a cigarette in a public place. did he look any different from a regular person ,did he crack rage on the officers and pull out a 9mil??? i think it showed yeah it was just some guy smoking a joint not harming anybody so does that make it any different than say a lawyer going out for a smoke break .at least it makes ppl think which is alot more than uve done for the cannabis community dont talk shit about ppl who are trying to help when ur doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
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Old 12-09-2006, 05:10 PM   #43
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And you are entitled to your opinion and your ignorant assumptions concerning somebody you don't know...That's why America is such a great country.

Just as everybody else is entitled to their opinion on NJWeedman, whether it is pro or con.

I have not denigrated NJ at all, just made an observation that in my opinion, I believe to influence folks that are not on our side, it is better to do it in a different manner than the shock value.

Sad but true, appearances do count to some folks and if we ever want to be more than a fringe issue, we will have to recognize that and accomodate that mindset.

Put it this way to illustrate the point...I don't mind somebody wearing a pot leaf t-shirt and hemp clothes coming up and blowing smoke in my face while extolling the virtues of cannabis...But if I were somebody who doesn't smoke or care about the subject, somebody in a suit and tie who looks like my neighbor, my son, etc, telling me about the history of cannabis and providing studies to back up his stance would probably get much farther.

Now if I really want to get a group of folks to listen to me, do I try to shock the shit out of them, or try to show them our similarities?

Luckily, you don't have to agree with me and I won't even start throwing crap out there about what you have and haven't done...Since I have no fucking clue. Just as you have no fucking clue what I have or haven't done in the name of cannabis activism.
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Old 12-09-2006, 06:50 PM   #44
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You could basically sum up my feelings towards weedman like this--He seems to promote the idea that MJ smokers are a bunch of "fuck you, I'll do whatever the hell i want" type people, when, in fact, the majorty of potsmokers are otherwise law-abiding people who don't routinely break any other laws. We ARE the person next door, not some widely outspoken radical who seems to get off on self-promotion and making an ass out of himself. We are doctors, lawyers, teachers, chefs, motel workers, stay at home fathers and mothers, clerks, accountants, mechanics, farmers, travel agents,....we are everyone and we are anyone. Rather than portray us as outcasts and rebels, why not promote the fact that despite out use of cannabis, we blend in with the population at large quite well? The anti-drug zealots would have you believe that everybody who smokes pot is still living in their parent's basement, doing nothing with thie lives. We need to blow that perception out of the water......imagine a day when everyone and anyone who smokes pot decided to stay home from work.....imagine the impact that would have....and the message it could send.
That almost made me cry a little. Great little tirade/speech there TM.
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And you are entitled to your opinion and your ignorant assumptions concerning somebody you don't know...That's why America is such a great country.

Just as everybody else is entitled to their opinion on NJWeedman, whether it is pro or con.

I have not denigrated NJ at all, just made an observation that in my opinion, I believe to influence folks that are not on our side, it is better to do it in a different manner than the shock value.

Sad but true, appearances do count to some folks and if we ever want to be more than a fringe issue, we will have to recognize that and accomodate that mindset.

Put it this way to illustrate the point...I don't mind somebody wearing a pot leaf t-shirt and hemp clothes coming up and blowing smoke in my face while extolling the virtues of cannabis...But if I were somebody who doesn't smoke or care about the subject, somebody in a suit and tie who looks like my neighbor, my son, etc, telling me about the history of cannabis and providing studies to back up his stance would probably get much farther.

Now if I really want to get a group of folks to listen to me, do I try to shock the shit out of them, or try to show them our similarities?

Luckily, you don't have to agree with me and I won't even start throwing crap out there about what you have and haven't done...Since I have no fucking clue. Just as you have no fucking clue what I have or haven't done in the name of cannabis activism.
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Old 12-10-2006, 02:18 AM   #45
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NJweedman definately goes about things the wrong way. I can TOTALLY relate to his actions, I really can, because I have a similar attitude, but when it comes to sensitive subjects like this, especially when the reputation of all MJ smokers is at stake, there needs to be more maturity shown. Not one thing this guy has done, has bettered the movement. Maybe in the eyes of the people who support him, but in the eyes of those in government and in the eyes of those up-tight, high-horse key-holders, there has been no change. We need to change their point of view, not piss them off and say "fvck you".

We need people who take the high road. Doing things in bad taste has never, and will never, net results. If the ENTIRE community of pot smokers was like NJweedman, yes, laws would change. But reality is not based on if's and could's and would's, it's based on what IS. And the reality IS that the entire community of pot smokers are represented by a small number of people, and when there is a small number of people representing an entire community, that small number has a RESPONSIBILITY to not embarass that community. It's unfortunate that the entire community can be looked down upon by what one or two or three people do, but that is the the way things work.

NJweedman, you need to change your ways. You make us all look like a bunch of idiots. You need to learn how to represent yourself, let alone an entire community of MJ smokers. I would start by trying to correct your spelling and grammar. Everyone makes mistakes, but if you want to put yourself in the position you have, it's your RESPONSIBILITY to not look like a moron. Because to be honest, you act like a stereo-typical, almost caricaturistic dream come true for a conservative who is against our cause. All I can picture is someone in congress pointing at a picture of you and saying.

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Old 12-10-2006, 05:54 AM   #46
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i dont know what ur on about ,weedman is just another person he doesnt make stoners look bad in anyway shape or form and atleast hes done more for the cannabis community than u ever will .I think what hes doing is absolutely great ,acts like the liberty bell stunt are good in showing the world hey its just cannabis yeah he was smoking a joint in a public place but if it wasnt illegal would it be any different from smoking a cigarette in a public place. did he look any different from a regular person ,did he crack rage on the officers and pull out a 9mil??? i think it showed yeah it was just some guy smoking a joint not harming anybody so does that make it any different than say a lawyer going out for a smoke break .at least it makes ppl think which is alot more than uve done for the cannabis community dont talk shit about ppl who are trying to help when ur doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Until you actually know me personally, please refrain on telling me what I have or have not done for the marijuana community. You've been here all of a day or two, and suddenly you know my life history and everything I have or have not done toi promote the cannabis movment? i don't think so. When you actually have some basis for your comments, get back to me.
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Old 12-10-2006, 01:40 PM   #47
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i dunno just my opinion but it seems most of u are ashamed to let the world know u smoke a plant and we dont need stoners like that cause u do nothing for helping it get legalized .this guys going out there saying hey i smoke cannabis and theres nothing u can do to stop me and i think it helps ppl accept stoners hes showing confidence towards what he believes and all u can do is talk shit about him well i say thats bullshit when u would never have the balls or the heart to do that .i say fuck it how long have we been trying to get it legalized in a civil manner too fucken long i say we need more ppl like njweedman to let ppl know were everywhere and were sick of it
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i dunno just my opinion but it seems most of u are ashamed to let the world know u smoke a plant and we dont need stoners like that cause u do nothing for helping it get legalized .this guys going out there saying hey i smoke cannabis and theres nothing u can do to stop me and i think it helps ppl accept stoners hes showing confidence towards what he believes and all u can do is talk shit about him well i say thats bullshit when u would never have the balls or the heart to do that .i say fuck it how long have we been trying to get it legalized in a civil manner too fucken long i say we need more ppl like njweedman to let ppl know were everywhere and were sick of it
There's a difference between proving a point... and spitting in someone's face (or in this case blowing smoke in one's face).

Let's relate it to same sex relationships... personally, I don't go down that road. How does it make me feel when a homosexual comes up to me and starts grabbing my ass or saying he wants to take me home? It'd make me feel very offended.. that this person doesn't have the curtosy to care about what other people think.
Gay people will hit on you.. just like NJweedman will blow smoke in peoples faces..

It's not very cool.. and there are many many other ways to go about doing the same thing.. just in a much more tactful way.

Some people simply lack tact.
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Old 12-10-2006, 07:33 PM   #49
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i dunno just my opinion but it seems most of u are ashamed to let the world know u smoke a plant and we dont need stoners like that cause u do nothing for helping it get legalized .this guys going out there saying hey i smoke cannabis and theres nothing u can do to stop me and i think it helps ppl accept stoners hes showing confidence towards what he believes and all u can do is talk shit about him well i say thats bullshit when u would never have the balls or the heart to do that .i say fuck it how long have we been trying to get it legalized in a civil manner too fucken long i say we need more ppl like njweedman to let ppl know were everywhere and were sick of it
Ashamed? I'm anything but ashamed. Most everyone who knows me knows my feelings about cannabis legalization. I'm not ashamed that I jack off but I'm not about to go to the liberty bell and start beating my shit and then blow in a cops face when they try to arrest me.
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all im trying to say is if a lawyer,doctor etc goes out for a smoke is it any different then njweedman smoking a doob at the liberty bell if anything the second hand smoke from a cigarette is way more dangerous than second hand marijuana smoke and hell i doubt njweedman would have blown smoke in the cops face if the cop didnt grab him i wouldve have done the same fucking thing,

but u guys are trying to compare that to sexual assault and exposing urself which is ABSOLUTELY FUCKING RIDICOLOUS!!!!!!!!!! .No wonder its still illegal
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