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I agree with most of the other people on here- radicalist actions and stances are not the proper way to go about trying to get a law changed. It is not the best way to change anybody's mind about anything. The best way to do so is to first grant someone something, then work with that to show them how ultimately on the question at hand they are incorrect. For instance, someone might say that they don't want MJ legalized because it is a gateway drug. It is then best to agree that a gateway drug is a bad thing- and then show how MJ is NOT a gateway drug. Appeal to reason, appeal to logic- bringing the issue to the foreground doesn't do much when you don't follow it up with facts and reason.

NJWeedman does an admirable job in bringing up the issue- but he doesn't really seem to be working to solve it. He's used the argument that he should be allowed to smoke MJ because of his religion- what about smokers who AREN'T rastafarians? Should they not be allowed to smoke still? Such a position might win on technicality, but it does not do anything to dispel misconceptions that people have or solve the problem for everyone. He does not address the reasons that are used to defend the current illegal status of marijuana, merely tries to justify his own usage of it.

NJWeedman is an individual, and as such should be able to voice his opinions, no matter what they are. Prohibition of his marijuana legalization advocacy while on parole was a terrible violation of his rights to free speech. However, after reading a bit around his site and what he has posted here, I believe he is not assisting the legalization movement. I think he is reinforcing the unlawful image that the general public has about marijuana smokers, and damaging the cause by doing so. I think he should step back, examine his methods, and change them so that he can use his publicity to full effect. But that is my opinion, and I cannot change him.

So, I will end this with a plea to everyone- support legalization, but do so responsibly! Whether you know it or not, to someone you are representative of our community, and if you can show them that we are not the perpetrators of violence and crime, that we are upstanding and moral people, then that is one more person who will be accepting to the legalization of marijuana, one more person who will vote YES on Proposition 420. And remember to vote yourselves, too.

 

doperman420

itg i see what ur saying but alot of ppl are ignorant and will never be for legalizing marijuana ,it just seems to me that njweed man is just sick of all the ignorance and is choosing to say fuck it,fuck them and fuck u and i think its about time someone did that cause the nice way isnt getting us anywhere. weve been nice about it and that hasnt gotten results except the result of almost every stoner in the states getting ass rammed for smoking a doob

Plainsman1963

No offense bro, but your profile says you are 19...How long could you have been fighting the good fight and you are this negative already?
Last election:
Nevada had 44% of the registered voters that voted that said they were for legalizing it. Not medicinal purposes, not decriminalize it, but legalize it.
In Colorado, 40% said they wanted it legal.

South Dakota? 48% said for medicinal users it should be legal.

I think a lot of the people aren't ignorant and are starting to vote.
I guess it is a matter of perspective?

There are 12 states that have legal medical marijuana programs. Alaska it is legal.

Santa Monica, Santa Cruz, Santa Barbara, Eureka Springs, Arkansas, Albany Ca, 4 districts in Ma., Missoula montana, all passed local ordinances stating that cannabis possession is the lowest priority for law enforcement.
In my state I can have a pound in my possession and it can be a misdemeanor.

I see lots of things happening, but if some people are looking for a nationwide referendum on cannabis, I think they are being way too premature. It will be step by step, state by state.

Yeah, for those folks too impatient, or too immature to do the long hard work required to make progress, I can understand their frustration.
I just wish they would use their frustration in wise motivated ways to actually facilitate change with what frustrates them.

But "fuck y'all" is another way to go at it.

Looking at where we are at by working within the system and slowly but surely affecting change via the "fuck y'all" method...I'm sticking with the former.

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doperman420

i want u to quote me as to where i said i have been fighting for its legalization ,hell i live in vancouver bc were almost there ,what i did say was dont talk shit about njweedman cause hes atleast trying to do something and u guys might be trying to do something but its not getting out .you guys are saying hes doing everything wrong but how the fuck is that possible when the guy gets 11,000 votes id like to see any of u try to do that especially trouble maker since he likes to talk the most shit. So what have u done, or are trying to have done to help legalization???? eh trouble maker ,u got so offended when i said u do absolutely nothing ,so tell me what the fuck are u doing?


edit: plainsman i do agree alot of ppl are coming around but what im saying is there are also alot of ppl who would NEVER be for marijuana legalization so wat are we going to do to convince those ppl ?there too ignorant to look at it in a different perspective so i say whats wrong with ppl trying an ignorant method to show them we dont give a fuck what they think

troublemaker_42

Well said Plains......things have changed drastically since I was 16 and smoking my first joint. At that time, medical marijauna was unheard of....now we have 12 states where it is legal for various medical uses. Thats HUGE in my eyes. If things can cahnge that much in 16 years, where are we going to be in another 10? 15? Maybe I'm crazy, but barring an unnaturally early demise, I seriously believe I'll live to see the day marijuana is legalized for recreational use in the US. Maybe not the ENTIRE US, but I believe some city or state will get it legalized, and a chain reaction will start. However, it is still my solemn belief that if and when weed is finally legalized, it will have very little or absolutely nothing to do with njweedman

What have I done? For one, and yes, I consider it to be my primary contribution.....I help run this website, first as member, than as a mod, and now as an asst admininstrator Websites such as this help the legalization movment in many ways, primarily through education. I also support NORML and their efforts. No, I'm not out there making an ass out of myself in the name of weed.....I'll leave that to NJweedman. However, I still consider what I do as important. You can say what you will, but however small you see my contribution, I see it making a difference

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doperman420

so uh trouble maker are u gonna answer my q or ignore it like an ignorant child
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SmasheR

Sorta looks to me like he did.

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Zandijuana

Dude, chill out. Oh, and it's annoying to read your writing.

So, why are you yelling at Trouble_maker42 for doing absolutely nothing when you know absolutely nothing about him. He is entitled to his own opinions about Njweedman, and I don't see why just because he says what Njweedman says and does is ignorant automatically means he's not helping the legalization effort. Top NORML activists send e-mails critizing Njweedman. I suppose they're doing nothing too? Personally, I don't care about him. I don't think he will hurt the effort, but I don't think he will help it either.

A lot of things that have been illegal are not legal, they have their times. Marijuana is coming up IMHO. People who have been born in raised that marijuana is a bad drug are becoming to become more educated, it takes time.

Plainsman1963

Why? I never said you did? I asked a question.
To quote you...Show me where I did? If disagreeing with his methodology is "talking shit"...Well, I guess I am vocalizing Kaka.
I thought I was voicing an opinion, respectfully at that.

As to not getting out? Maybe. But like I showed in my previous post, there is plenty of action going on...It is just at the local/state level mostly. Perhaps local/state politics don't usually make it into main stream foreign news?
To be honest, I don't really care how much of the news is getting out to other countries, because this is by necessity a local fight. Yes, with world ramifications, but still has to be fought by locals.

I know I've kept pretty good track of what all is happening through MPP, NORML and the front page here at www.marijuana.com.
His votes are coming from his base in my opinion. Which seems to be pissed off anti-socials that want to "stick it to the man". To get elected, either a lot of pissed off cannabis activists have to move into his district, or he is going to have to win over those not already willing to vote for him.

To actually get cannabis legalized we will have to reach a cross section of people from all over the spectrum, a majority of those who, in my opinion, are turned off by the in your face activism style.
Of course there will always be people who will never agree with legalization! No group of people will ever agree 100% on anything, no matter how much sense it makes.

The harm? Our image to all those other people who might be persuaded, who aren't so close minded but who disagree with the "I don't give a fuck what you think" mentality because if they followed it...They wouldn't give a fuck about us.

It's ok if you think that "style" of activism is fine. It's also ok if others don't.

If we would all remember to respect that fact and quit trying to personalize the debate, we could probably converse a bit better.

doperman420

i didnt say i dont respect opinion ,i just think that trouble maker shouldnt have talked shit where it was not needed theres a difference in just voicing ur opinion and just straight being an asshole and i dont think trouble maker should have opened his mouth where it wasnt needed if u will look back it was trouble maker who started the whole argument between him and njweedman and cmon trouble maker u actually think u sitting on ur computer all day on a cannabis forum helps legalization, a 12 year old could do ur fucking job .u probably still live with ur mom for fucks sakes, oh no i guess im banned hahahaha enjoy that power cause it the only power u probably have in ur miserable life as an internet mod