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SacredJellybean · 02-11-2007, 06:16 AM

Mark Souder was recently on MSNBC, trying to justify a 31% increase in the anti-marijuana ad campaign budget, so we can get more commercials about obscure stick figures that smoke joints and get sad when their dog tells them to quit.

That's a 130 million increase. Yup. So imagine how hilarious it is when an anchorman calls him out on his bullshit and flat-out tells him that his age old myths about the evil marihuana and its gateway effects are wrong. It starts out slow, but the 2nd half is gold.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8063292/

Thank god Kucinich replaced this lunatic.

Breez · 02-11-2007, 07:43 AM

you know when i first started to watch that i was starting to get pissed but the more i watched the more i laughed...i loved what he said HOW is it like coke? and has anyone overdose/died..and at the end where he said i know alot of marijuana users so i know thats wrong. and what the fuck was that dude talking about 1,000 have died from marijuana ..shit show me 1

redshadow · 02-11-2007, 10:18 AM

"Well, I know a lot of casual Marijuana users, so that's wrong. Thanks for talking with us, congressman."

BAM!!!

That's certainly a benefit of having your own show. If I could, I'd give Tucker Carlson a rep point for that. But then I'd take it away and give it to John Stewart because that remark on Crossfire is still awesome.

SpliffMan420 · 02-11-2007, 02:31 PM

Shafted sums that up, he kept dodging the question Legalization- 1 Mark Souder - 0

king cola · 02-11-2007, 05:50 PM

Either Mark Souder never smoked pot years ago or he was smoking shit and didn't have the right connections for high grade weed. He probably didn't even know what thai-weed was. By the way that was Cheech&Chongs conversation in the movie Up In Smoke, Thai-Weed, mauie wowie, those were probably some of the most potent strains of weed back in Souders day.

A few people going to emergency rooms after smoking pot. My question is this, was the visit to the hospital marijuana related? Someone slips and falls, but happened to smoke weed that day, they probably ask what drugs they have done if any because of medications the hospital gives if they need to. You tell them that you drank or smoked some pot, that probably goes down as part of the reason your in the hospital even though you would be in there for falling. The government probably gets a hold of that information, leaves out the part about someone getting injured and just says, well this person, this person, and this person went to the hospital after smoking marijuana

thaaster · 02-11-2007, 08:09 PM

Probably the one time in his entire career that I have supported Tucker Carlson.

But, I think its pretty obvious that Souder was either exaggerating or straight up lying about his statistics - he stated that marijuana was causing more brain damage. In fact, marijuana does not "kill brain cells" as DARE wants you to think. There is some contradictory evidence around its effect on short term memory, but some studies have shown that marijuana actually increases IQ.

Plainsman1963 · 02-11-2007, 08:31 PM

Re: Emergency room visits...

Ya need to look at how they get to those numbers:

Quote:

ALLEGATION #6
“As a factor in emergency room visits, marijuana has risen 176 percent since 1994, and now surpasses heroin.”

TRUTH
This statement is intentionally misleading as it wrongly suggests that marijuana use is a significant causal factor in an alarming number of emergency room visits. It is not.

Federal statistics gathered by the Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) do indicate an increase in the number of people “mentioning” marijuana during hospital emergency room visits. (This increase is hardly unique to marijuana however, as the overall number of drug mentions has risen dramatically since the late 1980s – likely due to improved federal reporting procedures.)44 However, a marijuana “mention” does not mean that marijuana caused the hospital visit or that it was a factor in leading to the ER episode, only that the patient said that he or she had used marijuana previously.45

For every emergency room visit related to drug use (so-called “drug abuse episodes”), hospital staff list up to five drugs the patient reports having used recently, regardless of whether or not their use of the drug caused the visit. The frequency with which any drug is mentioned in such visits is generally proportional to its frequency of use, irrespective of its inherent dangers.46

It is foolish for anyone – especially those in the administration’s anti-drug office – to imply that marijuana is in any way potentially more dangerous to one’s health than heroin. Marijuana is mentioned to hospital staff more frequently than heroin, not because it’s more dangerous, but simply because a far greater percentage of the population uses marijuana than uses heroin. It is also worth noting that alcohol is by far the drug most frequently reported to DAWN, even though it is reported only when present in combination with another reportable drug. Moreover, marijuana is rarely mentioned independent of other drugs.47

Another chestnut they'll pull out of their as....Fire is treatment facility admissions:

Quote:

ALLEGATION #3
“60 percent of teenagers in treatment have a primary marijuana diagnosis. This means that the addiction to marijuana by our youth exceeds their addiction rates for alcohol, cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, ecstasy and all other drugs combined.”

TRUTH
This statement is purposefully misleading. Although admissions to drug rehabilitation clinics among marijuana users have increased dramatically since the mid-1990s, this rise in marijuana admissions is due to a proportional increase in the number of people arrested by law enforcement for marijuana violations and subsequently referred to drug treatment by the criminal justice system.28 Primarily, these are young people arrested for minor possession offenses,29 brought before a criminal judge (or drug court), and ordered to rehabilitation in lieu of jail or juvenile detention. As such, this data is in no way indicative of whether the person referred to treatment is suffering from any symptoms of dependence associated with marijuana use; most individuals are ordered to attend supervised drug treatment simply to avoid jail time. In fact, since 1995, the proportion of admissions from all sources other than the criminal justice system has actually declined, according to the federal Drug and Alcohol Services Information System (DASIS).30 Consequently, DASIS now reports that 58 percent of all marijuana admissions are through the criminal justice system.31 Referrals from schools and health care/drug abuse care providers comprise another 15 percent of all admissions.32 By comparison, only 38 percent of those admitted to treatment for alcohol and only 29 percent of those admitted to treatment for cocaine are referred by the criminal justice system.33

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5515

jspinsr · 02-13-2007, 05:25 PM

souder is a douchebag...period.

sure sounds like he was pulling thoses stats out his ass to me, at the end i love how he kept changing the subject to avoid looking like an idiot.

the title for this thread is perfect, cause he was definitly OWNED

SmasheR · 02-13-2007, 10:48 PM

I thought Tucker Carlson was that conservative pundit on Crossfire?

Guess not from this video..

EDIT: I dunno about you guys but that video made me want to smoke haha.

EDIT#2: Oh damn he gets owned in the end haha he's just stuttering around like a bitch. He doesn't have anything to back up when Carlson asks how many MJ users have ODed. He's pretty fuckin' good at pulling BS statistics out of his ass though haha.

EDIT#3: Wow this Mark Souder guy is a major dipshit, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Souder

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

In 2003, Souder introduced the "Ronald Reagan Dime Act", to put Reagan's image on the dime in place of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. "I believe he represents conservative values as we would see them implemented through a president better than anybody else we've had in American history," Souder said. "He, to conservatives, represents kind of the reverse of FDR, who is kind of the liberal icon. Ronald Reagan is the conservative icon." [2]

What an asswipe. FDR helped us win WWII and got us out of the Great Depression. Reagan started and lost the war on drugs an cause the waste of billions of tax dollars in this war.

ADIDAS · 02-14-2007, 06:48 PM

Link to video

AHAHAHAHAhahahahAHHAHaHHAaH ahahAHHA AHahahHAhaHahA O MAN he did get fucking OWNED. That last exchange, "well I know a lot of casual marijuana smokers, so thats wrong."

02-11-2007, 06:16 AM	#1
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redshadow New Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 59 Diggs: 0 Grams: 624.35 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	"Well, I know a lot of casual Marijuana users, so that's wrong. Thanks for talking with us, congressman." BAM!!! That's certainly a benefit of having your own show. If I could, I'd give Tucker Carlson a rep point for that. But then I'd take it away and give it to John Stewart because that remark on Crossfire is still awesome.

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